Triangle Shooting Academy update from Bill

DurhamDad said:
Maybe I don't understand the situation right, but with regard to TSA we are talking about a property owner's right to control behavior on their property, right?

The 2A restricts government from infringing on our natural right to bear arms, but doesn't restrict or take away the property owners rights.

People are seeming to complain/act out more about the property owners behavior instead of actual infringements, even in light of the likely fact that this property owner/business is netting more societal support for removeing/preventing govt infringements.

I think that TSA would be wise to improve their carry policy, id reqts for purchases and employee behavior with ideas from this thread, and also support constitutional carry. It seems like that combo could grow their mass market opportunity while also getting support from more experienced and liberty minded folks who clearly are/could be great recruiters to their classes, shop and range.
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Completely agree.

What I think the brouhaha is more about is having a "gun shop" not being the best steward for "promoting" 2A rights, and giving the anti-gun folks more fodder to point out saying how even a business, that's in the business, doesnt allow this so why should anyone else?

Then having one of the upper echelon in your company against constitutional carry added even more fuel to the fire that their stance is not very pro2A and more of pro money first.

We can see it within our own community here, those who are here for the good of the community and those who only views us as a means to make money.

We don't run ads with the exception of the site sponsors that care about the community, if they don't care then they don't need to be here, and likely won't ever sign on to do so anyway. We did not make this site to make money off the membership and won't ever be selling the place to be data mined and sold to the highest bidder. All that being said, the free flow of ideas and opinions on both sides (within the rules) won't be censored to fit a narrative.
 
Friday said:
Ok.
Both you guys don't seem to be mean guys, I just think you were kinda hard on the boyz right there.
We didn't do anything. We're the good guys.
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Let's just say the internet may not be John's best medium... I feel sure he would agree.:D Having had the good fortune to take a few classes with Trace, John has a rare talent for being crass and irreverent while simultaneously being a great teacher who is respectful of his students.

In one class, I made a stupid, newbie move because I am a stupid newbie who has tons to learn. He called me out fast, blunt, and rightfully before any harm could result, and we moved on with the drill. Later when I asked for more explanation he couldn't have been more helpful about it, while not minimizing the importance. The man knows how to teach at the right level for the student and the moment.
 
BurnedOutGeek said:
What I think the brouhaha is more about is having a "gun shop" not being the best steward for "promoting" 2A rights, and giving the anti-gun folks more fodder to point out saying how even a business, that's in the business, doesnt allow this so why should anyone else?
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And this is exactly what we're up against. We had the owner of a large local shop (Conway, SC) was very vocal about being against Constitutional Carry. He was on TV and on any media outlet that he could find. He predicted mayhem in the streets caused by the untrained. And, he just happened to offer training and concealed weapons classes...for a fee. He has suffered, still suffering, from people choosing do business with people that were like minded, or at least smart enough to keep their mouth shut.
 
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Geezer said:
And this is exactly what we're up against. We had the owner of a large local shop was very vocal about being against Constitutional Carry. He was on TV and on any media outlet that he could find. He predicted mayhem in the streets caused by the untrained. And, he just happened to offer training and concealed weapons classes...for a fee. He has suffered, still suffering, from people choosing do business with people that were like minded, or at least smart enough to keep their mouth shut.
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Good grief... I have no idea how I missed all that. That is a real problem and I hope he will come around.
 
JohnFreeman said:
We all got training when we obtained our CCP.

Maybe TSA has a > 8 hour training course on firearms law and handling though?
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I get your point :)
I do want to add that TSA has co-hosted Andrew Branca's Law of Self Defense training with GRNC, and I found that way more useful than the CHP legal section. You can find him elsewhere as he teaches it nationally.
 
Prodiver said:
It was done in error by our employee that mis understood.

All employees that want to carry are trained before doing so.

Thanks, Bill
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I would be willing to bet they recieve the same traing that the average guy/gal does.
As for the part where we have 2 navy seals and leo working there.
My response is.....SO what....
Navy Seas/SAS/DEA/SWAT/CAG or any other operator type, they are not infallible.
 
Geezer said:
And this is exactly what we're up against. We had the owner of a large local shop was very vocal about being against Constitutional Carry. He was on TV and on any media outlet that he could find. He predicted mayhem in the streets caused by the untrained. And, he just happened to offer training and concealed weapons classes...for a fee. He has suffered, still suffering, from people choosing do business with people that were like minded, or at least smart enough to keep their mouth shut.
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Yes, that is a real problem for a gun range catering to gun friendly legislation patrons. Better to stay off the internet and away from media with those views. Not that he shouldn't be able freely speak but it sends a message that is bad for business to over half his customers. I never talk religion, culture, or politics with customers. Better to just make the sale then mumble in the car about what a prick the guy is and celebrate all the way home how you got the money being quite.
 
DurhamDad said:
I think TSAs ownership/mgt has handled this poorly, and I was not aware if he spoke against constitutional carry in NC. I will look into that, and that would be a deal breaker for me because as I understand it, constitutional carry wouldn't restrict his private property rights, and a voice like his would give politicians all the cover they need to vote against it.
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So you don't have to look far, the link was in the other thread:

https://www.google.com/amp/wncn.com...rry-causing-controversy-among-gun-owners/amp/
 
I worked at the lgs Sat, fudds just come with the territory, some know that they are fudds and apologize for it in advance, some think that they are super tactical operator's,but in truth are fudds, but you can't punish everyone for the fudds,no sign or rule can stop a fudd, they're impervious ,these rules only punish or alienate the non fudd, you've got to love what you do, and I love working at the gun store,the smile you get from the first time gun owner, or the cc holder who has just found the perfect cc gun to go with his permit, out weighs all the fudds I've encountered. .as to the holster thing we offer more than one type, I can understand gun owners wanting to try them and we offer that option, with a friendly, mind if I clear that for you it's store policy reminder, we have the please keep all firearms in holsters signs on the door, but would never restrict open or cc by our customers these people are the ones that keep the lights on,and we always try and remember that, I just don't think a policy that in essence says we support your right to bear arms, just not here,is the way to deal with the problem.
 
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TSA offers full auto and suppressed rifles to rent on the range, I see that as a positve Second Amendment stance.

Bill posted this comment last year on WNCN site.

http://wncn.com/2016/06/12/proposed...l-carry-causing-controversy-among-gun-owners/

Bill Edwards • a year ago
With respect to the recent piece by WNCN, the comments by our Range Manager do not reflect the opinions of Triangle Shooting Academy. We fully support H1148 filed by Representative Pittman, the "Gun Rights Amendment", and ask the public to support this important bill as well. This is not a livelihood or money issue. It's common sense.....
 
S4f said:
I worked at the lgs Sat, fudds just come with the territory, some know that they are fudds and apologize for it in advance, some think that they are super tactical operator's,but in truth are fudds...
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Maybe we could add a "Fudd" banner next to the "Charter Member", "Benefactor", etc we currrently have. People can either self-identify, or be labeled by a majority vote. :D

Maybe even a "2A, but" banner as well.

That way when these topics come up, you have a better idea of who you're dealing with. :p
 
What a mess, this thread. I missed a lot. Let's all take a breath.

It's really common sense. Don't allow the handling of loaded guns within a store. It is dangerous given the fact you possibly have people standing anywhere. Post a reminder to that effect to not handle loaded guns within the store for liability and insurance. To ban carry is to alienate the pro 2a crowd. I don't care how trained or untrained you are, you aren't going to come into my home and handle loaded guns and pass them around. That isn't a violation of your constitutional right, as being on private property we can set our own rules. Under normal circumstances the only time a loaded gun needs to be handled in public is when protecting life or property.

I'm sure the store in question may have overthought this, we all are guilty of doing that sometimes, and might reconsider their policy. I see no need to get bent out of shape, or for ill feelings toward anyone.
 
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No dog in this fight but offering an input, neither pro nor con TSA.

We, the gunowners of America, may wish to consider that the LGS represents a visible message to the antis as well as the majority of non-gunowners who don't care one way or another. The message is that guns are here, gunowners are here and they support the community economy. Every gun store that folds up their tent, for whatever reason, is a victory for the Brady bunch.

One of the locals could have easily walked in to TSA and calmly explained the perception the original notice presented. Perhaps one did, but have not seen any such reference in the forum. It's counterproductive to immediately go into fanatic mode. Build the bridge rather than setting explosives on the supports.

My .02
 
Daedalus-NC said:
No dog in this fight but offering an input, neither pro nor con TSA.

We, the gunowners of America, may wish to consider that the LGS represents a visible message to the antis as well as the majority of non-gunowners who don't care one way or another. The message is that guns are here, gunowners are here and they support the community economy. Every gun store that folds up their tent, for whatever reason, is a victory for the Brady bunch.

One of the locals could have easily walked in to TSA and calmly explained the perception the original notice presented. Perhaps one did, but have not seen any such reference in the forum. It's counterproductive to immediately go into fanatic mode. Build the bridge rather than setting explosives on the supports.

My .02
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Agreed.

I'm pretty sure we were all hoping for more communication from the OP on the subject since it was his thread and his business.
 
backwoodsshooter said:
Well I am going to go out on a limb and say, I can't wait for Fall time cause this heat is turning up everyone's grumpiness.
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Exactly, I'm dying to kill.


I just want to kill something in the cool fall air. Then eat some of it.
 
BigWaylon said:
Maybe we could add a "Fudd" banner next to the "Charter Member", "Benefactor", etc we currrently have. People can either self-identify, or be labeled by a majority vote. :D

Maybe even a "2A, but" banner as well.

That way when these topics come up, you have a better idea of who you're dealing with. :p
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Only if we can add a tin foil hat icon to some folks lol
 
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SPM said:
I'm just curious where all these local ranges are getting all these SEALs that the Navy seems to be hemorrhaging. Seems like every place you go to has a staff full of SEALs, Delta, Force Recon, SAS, GIGN, etc.

Teaching Basic Pistol Marksmanship, Basic Carbine, and how to make a bugout bag.

In my mind, that's a pretty small community in general, even after the increases seen since 2001. I just don't particularly see the local gun shop teaching new gun folks stuff being that kind of lure from the SF community.
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well... I am not a seal... no special forces training for me... and I dont even work at a gun shop....

I would identify as a manatee... or maybe a penguin... yes, a penguin... I look fairly good in a tuxedo, am a bit (a lot) porky, and I waddle when I walk...
 
Against constitutional carry?

I won't be back.
 
DLam said:
well... I am not a seal... no special forces training for me... and I dont even work at a gun shop....

I would identify as a manatee... or maybe a penguin... yes, a penguin... I look fairly good in a tuxedo, am a bit (a lot) porky, and I waddle when I walk...
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I've emerged as a beautiful butterfly just spreading my wings.
 
DurhamDad said:
It looks like post 142 shows this is not the case for the owner, but may still be the case for some staff.
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Thanks for the reminder. I replied right after that but somehow missed that particular post.
 
'(-unload-and-show-clear-to-test-a-hoslter-in-the-middle-of-the-store )

Who said anything about the middle of the store? We have a device, especially constructed for us, looks like a.mortar tube filled with a gel, muzzle is placed into the tube, then cleared. Even store personnel aren't immune from nd. I think this illustrates that if you have a problem that needs addressed, you can find a solution, without having to make up a rule that alienates your customers
 
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well read 40 responses and my opinion is this is no different than any other place saying no guns. So lets get this straight I got a conceal carry and I normally (just my personal preference) carry open. I normally tuck my t-shirt, but if I come in this place and want to keep my gun on me I gotta untuck my short to conceal my gun?? Now explain to me how being tucked or not tucked, concealed or not willcan make a difference in how I'm gonna act ?? Let me clarify it won't... So in other words long as this is in effect I WON'T be visiting and I'm sure there are many more just like me who won't. To be honest I'm not sure I would now even if it did change as I know how the boss really feels. Sorry but thats just how I feel and not gonna or wanna change.
 
HOLY CR*P!

I go away for ONE FRICKIN' 12 HOUR SHIFT and you guys go all LBJ on me!


DurhamDad said:
Just for some perspective, doesn't our military restrict concealed (and open) carry while training and supporting the hundreds of thousands of citizens who have taken an oath to defend our constitution?
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I don't know what you're talking about here. Some clarification would help me. I served AD Navy for 20 years and during a significant portion of that time, I had my concealed carry permit from my home state and carried wherever I could off base.

As for during military duties...if your duty required being armed, then you were armed in accordance with whatever the local regulations said.


ON THE SUBJECT OF LEFTY HOLSTERS, and holsters in general:

There's more to a holster than just whether the gun fits it. It SHOULD be a given that a holster made for a specific gun will actually holster said gun.

However, the angle the gun is presented, how well the retention device fits (if it has one), how it rides on your belt, etc. are all very important factors which should not be dismissed.

My advice for lefties...check these things out on the right handed holsters and see if they meet what you want. If so, then order that particular holster from the manufacturer as a lefty. Problem solved.


ARE PEOPLE DANGEROUS HANDLING THEIR GUNS:

Sure, they are. Even when properly handling your gun and following every possible safety rule, you're STILL dangerous. And so is the gun...it's DESIGNED to be dangerous. It wouldn't be a weapon if it weren't dangerous.

And people also make tons of tiny little errors all the time in their day-to-day lives. Most of the time, it never comes to a bad end...but those errors still exist. And we all know that for every one of us here that has a well grounded education and sense of firearms safety and handling, there are scads of other people out there who just aren't attentive. Fact. Just stand in any gun shop and observe people handling firearms for a while to get some kind of feel for this.


Well...I'm done typing now. I'm gonna go make some popcorn on the stove and watch for a while longer.
 
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