1911's Galore

Hashknife said:
These days, would you feel under gunned if you strolled into MB with a single stack 1911?
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Byron in the last two Sundays somebody has asked would you take a 1911 Commander or Officer's Model or full size Government model with you to work?
The answer was ...None of them, NONE. Now consider for a decade I carried nothing but a Colt 1911 of some kind. Now consider that I have Quite a few Colt 1911s in the safes right now. I love them...they Feel right in my hand...but take one outside the Gates??? My Pard and greatest proponent of the 1911 platform calls them...The King Of Feedway Stoppages.
Also have many and would not carry outside the Gates..Many Colt revolvers and Many S&W revolvers. I do carry them sometime when I walk down to the mail box....Hopefully I will never get in anything a nice Model 10 or Detective Special wouldn't get me out of BUT...The Sig 365 is today MY choice of a carry gun. This after a coupla Years of @Jeppo offering me one to shoot. I can be hard headed but eventually the overwhelming Evidence will pull me over.
That's my take.....and just to stir the pot....my guns are full of BALL. 147s at 1,200 FPS.
 
Bloodyhands said:
Reading an article the other day that was regarding the .45acp as obsolete.
The article sighted many of the things discussed here.
I was somewhat disheartened, but I will not stop loving a .45acp Full-size pistol EVER.
1911's, 4506, 14.45 and otherwise

https://david.bookstaber.com/Interests/2013/02/the-obsolete-45-acp/#:~:text=So yes, the .45 ACP is obsolete because,circumstances where shooters could only use non-expanding bullets.
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I don't dislike a 1911 by any means. I like them for what they are. They are a reflection of some of the best manufacturing methods avaliable at the time of design over 100 years ago.

I also like 1937 and 1955 Chevrolets and Piper Cubs. I would not get in any one of them and head down I-40 to the West Coast unless it was some sort of nostalgia event. We have evolved and there is a better, faster, more practical way. Same with the handgun platform.
 
I think we have hit the point, that carrying a 1911 is like what carrying a SAA would have been like circa the 1920's....

Why carry a single action only when you can carry a Da/Sa? You know you can only safely carry 5 rounds in that old thing... and ( ironically...) what about a 1911? You get 7 ROUNDS...

Does it work? Yes, it still can now. But is it the OPTIMAL choice? No.

The 1911 is an anachronistic device, every bit as much as the SAA and its like, and even the Da/Sa service revolver of yesteryear. And even compared to things such as the Berreta 92 now.

It held its place for a very, very long time against many, many challengers... it survived the dawn of "wondernines" and a multitude of issues brought on by trying to make the design do things it was never meant to do. Heck, it made its way into the dawn of polymer and kept going.

It also is a cultural icon, a touchstone for generations over its 110 years of use that isnt going to dissappear from the consciousness anytime soon.

Even layman recognize what a SAA looks like, or a lever action Rifle like an oldschool Winchester looks like, even if they cannot name it. Just like people know what a model T is even if they dont KNOW what its called. Same with a 1911.

Anyway, I digress.... I have no issues carrying any 1911 I have, and do so often and without fear. I also carry other, higher capacity "contemporary" pistols on occasion.... always with spare mags ( or speed loaders, if im running a revolver...)

1911's could be said to be an embodiment of the quote:

"A more elegant weapon of a civilized age"

Because they are.

They are the missing link between the romance and class of the gunslinger of pulp books, radio plays, and black and white Westerns in the halcyon memory of America, when we had a REAL frontier.....and the dawn of the mechanized age, where wonders both terrible and awful came to be made manifest, one of cars, and planes, of the final days of the true horse born calvary before we saw tanks and machine guns take over the battlefield.
 
I have a few 1911's and many S&W revolvers but I keep them in my safe. A G45 with 18 rounds of 147 HP is on my nightstand....a G30s with 11 rounds of Powerball is usually on my side when I leave the house. If I were to carry one of my 1911's it would be my Les Baer Stinger....
 
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Desolo said:
1911's could be said to be an embodiment of the quote:

"A more elegant weapon of a civilized age"

Because they are.

They are the missing link between the romance and class of the gunslinger of pulp books, radio plays, and black and white Westerns in the halcyon memory of America, when we had a REAL frontier.....and the dawn of the mechanized age, where wonders both terrible and awful came to be made manifest, one of cars, and planes, of the final days of the true horse born calvary before we saw tanks and machine guns take over the battlefield.
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DAMN...well written Pard!!!
 
Detritus said:
I've seen some data backing up the idea that exchanges of gunfire where more than 8-10rds total (ie going both ways), are more a result of one or both participant(s) firing to slide lock, than anything to do with a need for additional rounds. in other words the outcome of the fight is typically decided within that first 10rds total.

Calling back to Texas, but when I lived in Brazoria county a significant number of the deputies carried 1911s, because they could, and as one guy put it "(they were) more at risk of getting charged by a feral hog, than getting shot by some meth head. Tweakers can't shoot for shit."
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Decided to come back and make a clarification. What I related above, I intended only as an explanation of the reasoning some LEOs, specifically some that I personally met while living in coastal Texas, gave for choosing to carry a 1911. Not any attempt on my part to defend the practice.

I love 1911s, would I carry one? Not likely.

If I ever feel the need for a legit everyday gun I will find a nice modern polymer 9 that I can stand, because right now all I have are 1911s and a full size CZ75, which like @BatteryOaksBilly says of the BHP, will when fully loaded put ya pants down round yer socks.
 
I am not saying anybody is wrong...we all make our own decisions.

So here are my OPINIONS based on training/competition/carry/life:

1. Enough people have fought on past receiving 6 or more center of mass/eventually fatal gun shots to convince me "real men" only need 6 shots...until they need more.
2. I have been convinced that I needed stippling, bigger magazine buttons, and easier to use slide releases on Gen 3 Glocks...especially after switching to Gen4.
3. 1911 triggers, and 1911s in general make great target guns...but I actually shoot fast more accurately with a less touchy trigger, many guns have better ergonomics (even Glock...for me), and I don't prefer the weight. Yes, if I am standing at the range casually shooting small groups...1911s still make smaller groups. Also, see #1
4. I have been convinced there are some situations where night sights are a huge advantage.
5. A slip on grippy sleeve was not the best solution for any problem I have ever had...NEVER.

I think I combined a few threads
 
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Detritus said:
Decided to come back and make a clarification. What I related above, I intended only as an explanation of the reasoning some LEOs, specifically some that I personally met while living in coastal Texas, gave for choosing to carry a 1911. Not any attempt on my part to defend the practice.

I love 1911s, would I carry one? Not likely.

If I ever feel the need for a legit everyday gun I will find a nice modern polymer 9 that I can stand, because right now all I have are 1911s and a full size CZ75, which like @BatteryOaksBilly says of the BHP, will when fully loaded put ya pants down round yer socks.
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I was carrying a Glock 19 and I had bought a CZ 75 Compact. I wanted to carry it some as it was about the same size as the G19. I put them on @BatteryOaksBilly 's scales and they both weighed the same. Only thing was that the G19 had 16 rounds in it and the CZ was empty.
 
If theyā€™re carrying 1911s then they obviously werenā€™t expecting trouble, if you saw nothing but Glocks, youā€™d know to get out of dodge because shit was about to get realā€¦ā€¦.
 
MacEntyre said:
One day we will write... "The Sig 365 is an icon of a bygone era, when men glowed, and women plundered."
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The days of my youth were spent with man killers that wore vests and custom made boots with gold watches in a pocket. Fine hats and gloves. The guns they carried had Colt and S&W on their sides.
Today, thankfully I didn't turn out to be a Man Killer. Also, thankfully I Did learn from these men about how a man should act and carry himself. This so as to be recognized by Other men of his way.
I carry two guns when outside the Gates. I have for 40 years. I have carried legally in S.C. for 45 years. Before that I carried illegally. In all of my 73 years I have never felt undergunned or overmanned by Any man. That feeling was never about whether or not I had a gun. It is because of the men of my youth. I had "Good Raisins". So, into the future I go with Awareness-A Plan-A Weapon. As for one's choice of personal firearms....they are Personal. I would Never try to sway Anybody to my choice. Also, I would never feel the obligation to try to explain Why my choice is what it is. Again, personal.
That's my plan for what time I have left to wander outside the Gates.
INSIDE the Gates it's Colt SAAs and other antiquated systems. ;) šŸ‘Œ
 
Haven't been in a shoot out in the 30+ years I've carried but thinking my Gen 2 G19 with 16 rounds of 147 might be a better choice than my G30S.
 
I threw my Delta Elite on today, 8+1 180gr JHP's at 1250 ish along with a spare mag certainly didnt FEEL under gunned... ;)
 
CZfool68 said:
This thread has devolved into šŸ’©
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My bad, I find it difficult to pass up the chance to harass the 1911 fanboiz, but the truth, is I personally believe that the 1911 is and has been the standard that all other sidearms are measured over the past 110 years, the only real issue I have with it is the limited capacity when chambered in the caliber it was designed for, but that has nothing to do with the absolute perfection that our national treasure, John Moses Browning designed so many years ago, being the mere mortal that I am, I believe I will ā€œneedā€ more than 8 rounds if, God forbid, I ever find myself in a situation where using a sidearm is the answer to the question at hand.
 
My personal opinion, so take it for what itā€™s worth, is that on paper the 1911 is antiquated and falls behind on nearly all measurable metrics that would be considered in seeking a self defense firearm. Weight, capacity, size, concealability and so forth. There are multiple modern designs that on paper would be far better choices.

My unskilled self once took a 1911 to a shooting match up against a bunch of folks with modern plastic fantastic. And though I was accurate, I couldnā€™t make up the time when I was having to reload when they could shoot through.

But, what I have also come to realize is that gunfights arenā€™t ā€œon paperā€. A man who knows his gear, trains with it, shoots it, and has the ability to handle himself when the bullets start flying back at him is far more important than the tool being carried. In my opinion itā€™s more about the fight in the dog, than the size of the dog.

Now, with that said: I do feel that the dog with the most fight would be better served with a more updated tool. But itā€™s quite possible that his nerve comes from his confidence in the tool he has used the most.

At the end of the day, if the two way firing range commences, itā€™s each mans own salvation in his hands. So walk into it with the firearm you are absolutely comfortable and proficient in. Whether that be a flint lock pirate pistol, or a modern day wonder 9.


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you guys and your single stack argument are funny....

I ran a pistol course with my sub compact single stack 1911, did just fine or better than half the class. :)

it was easier too, instructor said I only had to hit the target one time cause I was shooting a 45 instead of twice with a 9mm

hahahahaha! (just kidding on last part)
 
Blammer said:
you guys and your single stack argument are funny....

I ran a pistol course with my sub compact single stack 1911, did just fine or better than half the class. :)

it was easier too, instructor said I only had to hit the target one time cause I was shooting a 45 instead of twice with a 9mm

hahahahaha! (just kidding on last part)
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Maybe you would have won if you werenā€™t reloading the whole time. šŸ˜ŽšŸ˜‰šŸ˜¬
 
Does anyone know how many shots are fired in the average/median/typical self defense situation? Is there any actual data on self defense shootings with regards to shots, distances and time? Or do we just base everything on square range training and competition? I am not a police officer or military ninja so will likely not be in any John Wick like movie scenarios. If I donā€™t frequent Baltimore/Chicago/Detroit on a weekend night at 2 am what do I really need to expect in a bad situation?
 
Geezer said:
I was carrying a Glock 19 and I had bought a CZ 75 Compact. I wanted to carry it some as it was about the same size as the G19. I put them on @BatteryOaksBilly 's scales and they both weighed the same. Only thing was that the G19 had 16 rounds in it and the CZ was empty.
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Get stronger. šŸ˜
 
Tarowah said:
My bad, I find it difficult to pass up the chance to harass the 1911 fanboiz, but the truth, is I personally believe that the 1911 is and has been the standard that all other sidearms are measured over the past 110 years, the only real issue I have with it is the limited capacity when chambered in the caliber it was designed for, but that has nothing to do with the absolute perfection that our national treasure, John Moses Browning designed so many years ago, being the mere mortal that I am, I believe I will ā€œneedā€ more than 8 rounds if, God forbid, I ever find myself in a situation where using a sidearm is the answer to the question at hand.
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Not your bad. I am just amused that 1911ā€™s donā€˜t have enough capacity arguments, but 5 shot 38 Special revolvers and the like are all well accepted. Or Sig 938ā€™s. It makes me laugh. Carry what works for you. I donā€™t really carry 1911ā€™s but will/would in certain situations. I carry several different guns on/off body depending what works in a given situation. Everybody has different needs and situations. I carry different guns at work than I do at home or at our mountain place on a walk. Not really any one gun is perfect for every time and place. At least for me.

And who was it that said a 1911 was like a SA revolver? I want some of what you were smoking. šŸ‘»
 
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Murtaugh said:
I am not saying anybody is wrong...we all make our own decisions.

So here are my OPINIONS based on training/competition/carry/life:

1. Enough people have fought on past receiving 6 or more center of mass/eventually fatal gun shots to convince me "real men" only need 6 shots...until they need more.
2. I have been convinced that I needed stippling, bigger magazine buttons, and easier to use slide releases on Gen 3 Glocks...especially after switching to Gen4.
3. 1911 triggers, and 1911s in general make great target guns...but I actually shoot fast more accurately with a less touchy trigger, many guns have better ergonomics (even Glock...for me), and I don't prefer the weight. Yes, if I am standing at the range casually shooting small groups...1911s still make smaller groups. Also, see #1
4. I have been convinced there are some situations where night sights are a huge advantage.
5. A slip on grippy sleeve was not the best solution for any problem I have ever had...NEVER.

I think I combined a few threads
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Choot ā€˜em in the face. Problem solved. šŸ˜†
 
CZfool68 said:
Not your bad. I am just amused that 1911ā€™s donā€˜t have enough capacity arguments, but 5 shot 38 Special revolvers and the like are all well accepted. Or Sig 938ā€™s. It makes me laugh. Carry what works for youl. I donā€™t really carry 1911ā€™s but will/would in certain situations. I carry several different guns on/off body depending what works in a given situation. Everybody has different needs and situations. I carry different guns at work than I do at home or at our mountain place on a walk. Not really any one gun is perfect for every time and place. At least for me.

And who was it that said a 1911 was like a SA revolver? I want some of what you were smoking. šŸ‘»
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;) that was me....

Really though, I thought it an apt comparison.

It is, by definition a single action...and is distinctive in that it is the only early semi auto to survive to this era, in common use.
 
Desolo said:
;) that was me....

Really though, I thought it an apt comparison.

It is, by definition a single action...and is distinctive in that it is the only early semi auto to survive to this era, in common use.
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Well you disagree with me so you are just a dummy! šŸ¤Ŗ
 
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