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Another school shooting. Florida High School.
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Why not? There are many fine private schools around the country that make a profit, and do a fine job teaching kids. Funny how all the so called leaders in Congress send their kids to private schools. But 'our' kids have to be forced to go to whatever local, government school some public employee that doesn't know them thinks they should go to.
Is there a handbook they give teachers with talking points?
The wealthy already do get the best education.
And to top it all off I have worked in schools.
The gunman and his younger brother were adopted in NY before the family moved to Florida.
The stepdad passed away and his stepmom just recently, they were living with family friends since.
The kid may have been on medication according to the story.
https://www.newsday.com/news/nation/florida-shooter-cruz-long-island-1.16781810
The stepdad passed away and his stepmom just recently, they were living with family friends since.
The kid may have been on medication according to the story.
https://www.newsday.com/news/nation/florida-shooter-cruz-long-island-1.16781810
I ain't a big Jesus guy, but by damned when they took discipline out of school & put all the little heathens in the same classrooms what do you expect. Give them all a trophy & don't make them work for anything & see what happens. I even think bullies serve a purpose. Most of these freaks are just a few beatings from acting right.
That's pretty short sighted. So the parents that will go into massive debt to pay for their kid's college are going to automatically send their kids to the cheapest private school? Glad you have so much faith in most parents. Maybe parents will actually get to evaluate schools based on their staffs and performance. And even the curriculum.
Gee it must have been horrible before the public school system was created with nobody knowing any maths or letters. Surprised those old white haired guys could actually write the Constitution.
Why not? There are many fine private schools around the country that make a profit, and do a fine job teaching kids. Funny how all the so called leaders in Congress send their kids to private schools. But 'our' kids have to be forced to go to whatever local, government school some public employee that doesn't know them thinks they should go to.
Is there a handbook they give teachers with talking points?
The wealthy already do get the best education.
And to top it all off I have worked in schools.
Handbook? You’re barking up the wrong tree my friend.
18 years of experience is where I speak from.
What capacity and how long did you work in schools?
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Also, glorification of promiscuity creates a society that degenerates to mammalian mating patterns, where 20% of the males get 80% of the vag. This results in less socially calibrated males being completely shut out from the prospect of vag, while at the same time having sexuality thrust in their face all day, every day in our media and our culture.
Young men and their high testosterone + constant exposure to sexuality + being totally shut out of the sexual market = cauldron of frustration/resentment/anger. Some % of those young men are going to be mentally ill and that converts this cauldron into a powderkeg.
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Handbook page 32! Only experts know what is best for our schools and children. If you don't have the requisite credentials and approval from the State you can't have an opinion or comment on the failing government schools. Got it. Never heard this angle before.
I was a teaching assistant and substitute teacher during College. And I have many family and friends that are teachers. The public school system is a disgrace. But that doesn't mean that teachers are the problem. I know and have met many good teachers. They are just working for a crappy company.
That's pretty short sighted. So the parents that will go into massive debt to pay for their kid's college are going to automatically send their kids to the cheapest private school? Glad you have so much faith in most parents. Maybe parents will actually get to evaluate schools based on their staffs and performance. And even the curriculum.
Gee it must have been horrible before the public school system was created with nobody knowing any maths or letters. Surprised those old white haired guys could actually write the Constitution.
No matter what is all goes down to the lowest cost for the most stuff.
Thank you. I’m by no means a huge supporter of the embedded beaurocracy, or teacher unions for that matter.
Sadly, the vast majority of quick fixes just don’t address the myriad of issues facing public education these days.
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I think there's always been that, so that part isn't new. Maybe that + escalation to violence with guns, bypassing fisticuffs.
Why not? There are many fine private schools around the country that make a profit, and do a fine job teaching kids. Funny how all the so called leaders in Congress send their kids to private schools. But 'our' kids have to be forced to go to whatever local, government school some public employee that doesn't know them thinks they should go to.
Is there a handbook they give teachers with talking points?
The wealthy already do get the best education.
And to top it all off I have worked in schools.
No one's kids are forced to go to public school.
I think you're correct or at least on the right track. I think it is all of these things, but I think it's predominantly the demise of the classic, nuclear, family unit. While it may not have been idealistic in a Leave it to Beaver sense, it still presented a solid structure. Furtermore, it was the typical and normal for most of the population. That structure was then extrapolated through the neighboring community. I remember having discussions with and even being taught how to behave like a responsbile and respectful person from people other than my immediate family, such as my neighbors. There was a community zeitgeist and understanding that if you misbehaved at someone else's house they would punish you (whip your backside) and then call your parents who would do so again. Sure there were some bad kids who came from "broken" homes, whose dad drunk his paycheck and beat his wife, but they were the minority. Similarly, kids were expected to behave in school and when they didn't they got in trouble at home.
Again, somewhere along the way this changed. As I said previously, I suspect that it changed around 1984. I think the change is generational and was the start of our 3rd turning, the decline. We are now in a 4th turning and the problem is becoming acute, yet we still don't have a resolution, because we're not at the crisis point yet.
This is the tough question and the unfortunate reality of it is that you can only provide so much physical security and at some point you are outside of that barrier. There is also the question of how much (power) do you want to give up to the "government". If you go browse the leftist blog-o-sphere you will see pages and pages of howling about wanting "government" to do "something" to make them "feel safer". Mostly they're screaming about how they need to get motivated and take over the political system so that they can take away our guns and take away people's rights; that they "gun owners" have lost the "right" to have. Personally, I find this very chilling as it is an obvious precursor to what I suspect may be one of two ways that the SHTF in this nation; some even occurs that prompts the legislature to boldly try to curtail people's natural rights. If you pay attention to their comments they really do believe that people will simply turn in their guns, or whatever, if they are commanded to. I think the reality will be far worse and in ways not to their liking.
No, if we are going to fix the situation we're going to have to fix the family, and a large part of that is economic. The other part of it is changing social attitudes.
The wealthy already have the best education. That's why I support charter schools and vouchers. So that every child has the opportunity to attend the school that's best for him, not just the wealthy ones.
As to profit, well, greed is good. The reason charters are exploding in popularity is because they are delivering a better product for less money than the traditional schools. And the charters that don't do that go out of business. Tell me the last time you heard of a bad public school going out of business. They just keep on going, forever condemning those children to the same generational poverty as their parents.
We are reaping what we have sown, no more and no less. Lots of contributing causes described in this thread, I generally agree with them all and won’t repeat them here. One not mentioned is that an increasing number of people do not view themselves as a part of something greater than themselves.
As you all know, the problem with trying to eliminate the problem through gun control is that it won’t solve the problem and the controls won’t ever be removed even when proven to be ineffective.
If I put on my sociopath hat for a moment the solution becomes clear, explosives. With one out two schools being destroyed and hundreds of deaths the media will shift their attention, and those who are looking to go out on a high note or seek to harm the system that they blame for their problems will move beyond firearms. Obviously not a good solution, but it doesn’t matter since it’s probably going to be how things develop regardless of any gun control efforts.
As you all know, the problem with trying to eliminate the problem through gun control is that it won’t solve the problem and the controls won’t ever be removed even when proven to be ineffective.
If I put on my sociopath hat for a moment the solution becomes clear, explosives. With one out two schools being destroyed and hundreds of deaths the media will shift their attention, and those who are looking to go out on a high note or seek to harm the system that they blame for their problems will move beyond firearms. Obviously not a good solution, but it doesn’t matter since it’s probably going to be how things develop regardless of any gun control efforts.
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Bastiat summed up the issue of public education quite succinctly:
"You say: 'There are persons who lack education' and you turn to the law. But the law is not, in itself, a torch of learning which shines its light abroad. The law extends over a society where some persons have learning and other do no; where some citizens need to learn, and others can teach. In this matter of education, the law has only two alternatives: It can permit this transaction of teaching-and-learning to operate freely and without the use of force, or it can force human wills in this matter by taking from some of them enough to pay the teachers who are appointed by government to instruct others, without charge. But in this second case, the law commits legal plunder by violating liberty and property."
"You say: 'There are persons who lack education' and you turn to the law. But the law is not, in itself, a torch of learning which shines its light abroad. The law extends over a society where some persons have learning and other do no; where some citizens need to learn, and others can teach. In this matter of education, the law has only two alternatives: It can permit this transaction of teaching-and-learning to operate freely and without the use of force, or it can force human wills in this matter by taking from some of them enough to pay the teachers who are appointed by government to instruct others, without charge. But in this second case, the law commits legal plunder by violating liberty and property."
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I'll just go ahead and sum up this thread and throw all of the causes of this and similar tragedies into one big bowl, stir it up good, and pour out the contents and see what we have:
Liberalism is what I see staring back at me. It's the cancer eating away at our society and our country.
I don't see anything else but runaway liberalism as the cause of these school shootings.
Liberalism is what I see staring back at me. It's the cancer eating away at our society and our country.
I don't see anything else but runaway liberalism as the cause of these school shootings.
Their wealth is taken from them to pay for the public school. IF they choose to go to a public school in their area they are told which school they must go to. Not a lot of freedom of choice there. I guess people are free to pay for different schools if they so choose.
Agreed. There isn't one thing we can do to make it all better. Except maybe stop doing things that are proven to fail, and try doing it differently. But that can't happen with the system we have. Too much $$ amd power is at stake.
Public school was a bit like basic training, grind away the disfunctional bits so everyone pulls in the same direction. Today we celebrate every foible and perversion, they are not all good, this is not good for our society.
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When I was a kid in school, most of the kids that had problems at school, also had problems at home. When I think about the kids that were consistently acting out, causing trouble, or just keeping to themselves, never talking, etc, I recall that all of them had problems at home too. Single parent who didn't step up to the plate, drugs, alcohol, abuse. Stuff like that. Discipline at school would probably help them, but I doubt it would fix all the issues. Sadly, there's no test or permit required to make a kid. Just 2 people and 5 minutes alone.
For quite some time now I've said we need to change the model of education. For those who can and will succeed we should pull out the stops and educate them as far as they can go. Society as a whole would benefit and reap back the rewards several times over. For those who aren't cut out for rigorous academics, they should be educated in a viable trade that will enable them to earn a productive living. Again, society as a whole benefits. For those who can't or won't learn or perform in, or act disruptive in school, they need to be taken out of school and given a shovel and be made to work.
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5 minutes? You figure 3 minutes of foreplay?
Seriously, this is true. No kids that are well-behaved at school are hoodlums at home. They don't clock in and out. The foundation is the family unit, in whatever context. That means not only discipline, but also love (tender as well as tough), work ethic, respect, and citizenship.
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He legally purchased the rifle and was a member of a "white nationalist" militia group in Florida...
http://www.wral.com/florida-school-shooting-blamed-on-mental-illness-not-guns/17342128/
"As the criminal case against the suspect took shape, the leader of a white nationalist militia called the Republic of Florida said Cruz was a member of his group and participated in exercises in Tallahassee.
Jordan Jereb told The Associated Press that he had only a brief interaction a few years ago with Cruz, who came across as "a normal Florida white guy."
The group wants Florida to become its own white ethno-state. Jereb said his organization holds "spontaneous random demonstrations" and tries not to participate in the modern world.
"We don't really endorse doing the things he did," Jereb said. "But at the same time, it's inevitable that people are going to go crazy because we live in an inherently sick society," he said, citing "hyper-egalitarianism" and feminism as some of society's ills.
He also said Cruz had "trouble with a girl" and that he believed the timing of the attack, on Valentine's Day, was not a coincidence."
http://www.wral.com/florida-school-shooting-blamed-on-mental-illness-not-guns/17342128/
"As the criminal case against the suspect took shape, the leader of a white nationalist militia called the Republic of Florida said Cruz was a member of his group and participated in exercises in Tallahassee.
Jordan Jereb told The Associated Press that he had only a brief interaction a few years ago with Cruz, who came across as "a normal Florida white guy."
The group wants Florida to become its own white ethno-state. Jereb said his organization holds "spontaneous random demonstrations" and tries not to participate in the modern world.
"We don't really endorse doing the things he did," Jereb said. "But at the same time, it's inevitable that people are going to go crazy because we live in an inherently sick society," he said, citing "hyper-egalitarianism" and feminism as some of society's ills.
He also said Cruz had "trouble with a girl" and that he believed the timing of the attack, on Valentine's Day, was not a coincidence."
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I wonder if he really was a member of that group? Or if the group is just trying to gain some notoriety by claiming him as one of their own?
Wow, that sounds a lot like some totalitarian countries throughout history. No thank you.
I guess we need to screen these folks at birth to see who will succeed. The rest can just go dig ditches. Very nice.
So the guy had a run in with him a few years ago, and the guy named Cruz wants FL to be lily white? None of that sounds plausible.
Possibly. But probably by the end of the day he'll be Trump's illigitimate lovechild with a Russian porn star. And the NRA will have been the ones to pay for his adoption.
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My inlaws haves made millions digging ditches.
Romans 1:28-32
28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips,
30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;
32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips,
30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;
32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
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Charters succeed and fail all the time.
Charters have minimal restrictions and some offer minimal services.
Charters are exploding because every Tom, Dick, and Harry think they know how to run a school. All you need are investors, a plan, and to know the right people. You don’t need to have a background in ed to run a charter.
Every child does NOT have the opportunity to attend the best school even under your plan.
Bad public schools get shut down all the time, the feds come in and take them over and make things worse.
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Education is the cash cow of the present, thanks to NCLB and Fed student loans.
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