PPE without the proper knowledge and usage is oftentimes worse than none.
How many even know how to properly take off their gloves?
See the hints for non morons section: http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/04/asepsis-101.html
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How many even know how to properly take off their gloves?
See the hints for non morons section: http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/04/asepsis-101.html
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The best I’ve seen is a woman and her two chitlins wearing sleeping eye masks over their mouths. They could pretty much smoke a cigar out of the hole the material was leaving on the sides due to the “incorrect” facial contour it was trying to cover. Then there was the son...with it on his forehead. I guess he wins for getting it closest to the target area.
Proper training is very important and not just common sense is enough sometimes.Techniques for donning and doffing PPE (or other gear) is important as well as the order you do it. In my ERT time we were required to wear two layers of gloves and regularly change out the outer layer, using the proper technique, to keep contamination from surface to surface down ... you can’t wear a pair of gloves for an extended period of time without risk of cross contamination. Yes, it protects you for the time you have the gloves on but you spread any “stuff” with each touch of a contaminated glove which can bite back in the future.
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Not sure nowadays whether I'm more concerned about being judged by how I wear a mask or printing a firearm.
Not sure nowadays whether I'm more concerned about being judged by how I wear a mask or printing a firearm.
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Not sure nowadays whether I'm more concerned about being judged by how I wear a mask or printing a firearm.
Hmmm ... maybe we should handle it 1 of 2 ways ...
1 - carry concealed and wear a mask so you don’t have Karen rat you out for anything
or ...
2 - open carry with no mask and thumb our noses at Karen who then can report the “irresponsible” person and get laughed at for her crap
Now in all seriousness ... you’re right that for now there are many who’ll judge you on a mask but that will likely pass and then we’ll go back to being judged as “gun nuts” anytime Karen sees anything to indicate we carry and possibly have a “person with a gun” called in the the LEO’s ... we’re screwed either way.
Out of desperation I went to Academy to get some hooks to rig a Neko for some bedding fish I found.
Had an old man, a family of four and a muscle head trying to ride in my back pocket. After changing isles, redirecting my approach and getting frustrated saying “what happened to 6 feet”, I gave up and left.
Most people aren’t considering anyone but themselves. They are conceited and unaware of their surroundings.
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Zero ***** to give either way.
If they "open it back up" we will still have drop your pet in our enclosed enter and leave before anyone goes out to get it. Then doc will talk to you on the phone and get credit card. then you can pick up pet and meds. Staff has to have temp. taken before they come in to work and don't get close too each other unless holding pet and then use mask.
I care too much for my staff and family to risk them.
I can fight back from loss of money and rights...death, not so much
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Not sure nowadays whether I'm more concerned about being judged by how I wear a mask or printing a firearm.
Zero ***** to give either way.
If they "open it back up" we will still have drop your pet in our enclosed enter and leave before anyone goes out to get it. Then doc will talk to you on the phone and get credit card. then you can pick up pet and meds. Staff has to have temp. taken before they come in to work and don't get close too each other unless holding pet and then use mask.
I care too much for my staff and family to risk them.
I can fight back from loss of money and rights...death, not so much
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If you wear it like this people don't usually criticize.Operators: the Next Generation:
Not sure nowadays whether I'm more concerned about being judged by how I wear a mask or printing a firearm.
Well, really, a red mask would go better with your eyes.
Gloves and masks are like the TSA, I feel good measure for the sleep.
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Some of the hospitals Duke has bought were getting ready to go under and close for good. So I think there needs to be some long-term vision that even with Duke ownership, or some large faceless corporate leadership, that having a local hospital some beds is preferable to having no hospital within 100 miles.
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I know this post is dated but the USNS Mercy is pretty full now.
As of today most hospitals, definitely all in North Carolina, are able to handle the capacity, specifically because we've been able to control the spread.
That’s right around the corner from me!
Yeah. Treat everyone as you would want to be treated.
Yeah, I care less about your pet than I do my family and staff. And it's my job to keep them as safe as I can.
I guess I should tell the staff member that has immune problems just to suck it because someones dog needs a nail trim. Or tell one of our vets she needs to work instead of staying home to take care of her two asthmatic kids. Maybe just tell my 80 year old mom that lives with us "It's just a flu but it's about time you die anyway"
But ya'll do what you want. Kind like folks that don't carry a pistol and think those that do are crazy and paranoid...
I guess I should tell the staff member that has immune problems just to suck it because someones dog needs a nail trim. Or tell one of our vets she needs to work instead of staying home to take care of her two asthmatic kids. Maybe just tell my 80 year old mom that lives with us "It's just a flu but it's about time you die anyway"
But ya'll do what you want. Kind like folks that don't carry a pistol and think those that do are crazy and paranoid...
Honestly curious as I certainly understand your particular concerns ie your employees and at risk parent. And of course your business your rules. How long will you operate this way? Until a vaccine is released? Until a cure is found? 1yr, 2yrs, indefinitely? When will you feel under your particular circumstances that the risk has passed? Or do you think that your business can continue to run like this permanently (I’m not opposed to the idea personally)?
I think until there is some real info ( not crap Trump tells to get reelected and fake news to keep him from getting elected) that shows spread is better and/ or there is a good treatment for this, it's going to be a new normal.
This has been on my radar from about Jan 22. Feb 5th I had order supplies for our hospital (mask,gown, disinfectants, main meds, ...) got about 3 gallon of hand sanitizers, and topped of our hard food items (thing other than fresh ) and put two lambs in the freezer. By Feb 12 I was try to tell our other vet that it was coming, to get ready to take care of her two asthmatic kids. She got mad at me for trying to scare her. She is from NYC...
I don't sit around waiting to find info from a blow hard politician or from lying talking head on tv.
So, I will wait till I feel it's safer to "open" but I don't think life is going back to way it was this year.
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I work on the diagnostics side of healthcare, and I agree with you. If your superiors have been long removed from the technical, regulatory, operational minutia for a long time, you often have just another suit in the mix regardless of what letters are next to their name.
I have put my job and financial well being on the line a number of times in my career, absolutely refusing to carry out unethical, non-compliant or inappropriate science. There is a patient at the other end. I don’t even meet them. I would imagine if you were front line worker, it should only be easier to muster the guts to draw a line in The sand.
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my favorite, and so far IME this is the MAJORITY, are wearing a mask and then open the doors and touch the screens and stylus etc with bare hands lol. Talk about counter productive.
min the opposite. My masks are for high risk environments (if I need to go to hospital or something), scarf or bandana for low risk/high population like grocery store and no face cover at all in places where only few people.
However a napkin or glove accompanies me everywhere to touch anything regardless of risk.
A veterinary office is a business and needs the income generated by those toenail clippings. We can't stay shut down indefinitely $1200 Trump bucks just isn't going to carry us through.
Whatever the business, they are going to figure out how to do their jobs while staying safe.
And that's what we are doing. But right now if its not a matter of life or death it can wait. And like in a lot of other jobs there are things that owners could (or should) do their selves but for convenience they pay some one to do it. There is going to be a new normal way to do business. It's going to be a lot less in each others faces
I sorry, but anyone that think that a snap of the fingers is going to take us back to Jan 2020 is in for a hard wake up.
But to some folks on here I am paranoid
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Seems like a good plan, I’m very glad you were able to prepare before stuff got too scarce. And I salute your commitment to put the interests of your employees health and well being above that of profit and the health of your business, no matter what happens I think that mindset is to be commended.
It's going to be funny to see how long your pet owners are going to put up with this. We just took our dog to our vet since she was having a few problems. The sign on the front door said if you have traveled overseas in the last few months please call the front desk for an appointment, and do not enter. The other sign said maintain distance from anyone at the front desk and wait to be called in. All the staff had masks on as we did. We were told we would taken into a freshly sanitized room where we were met by a vet tech with a mask on who kept her distance from us. After finding out more about our visit she took our dog for blood work, etc. The Doctor then came into the room with a mask and kept his distance, examined our dog talked to us and then, gave her shots, and went over her treatment plan. We then left and I took our dog to the car and my wife paid the bill with a credit card. The young lady at the desk after my wife used the card then sanitized the credit card before handing it back to my wife. Yes, as someone said above you have the right to run a business as you please. But if I'm going to spend hundreds of dollars as we all know a visit to a vet costs I'm going to make sure a Doctor, not some tech, is examining my dog and I'm getting my monies worth and proper care for my pet.
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We took our cat to the vet as this was gaining in the US. You came in and asked to hold out your hands which got sprayed with sanitizer and then you were give a paper towel to dry them with. The door knobs, etc were also sanitized regularly as someone came or went. Reasonable precautions.
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Our vet is telling everyone on the phone and has it posted on the door: Stay in you car, call the lobby on your phone, we'll send someone out to see what you need. No more than one customer in the lobby at a time.
I saw TP on the shelf at a food Lion for the first time in a month this morning.
I saw TP on the shelf at a food Lion for the first time in a month this morning.
Some folks will say I'm paranoid, also. Only when 50% of small businesses are out of business, unemployment is 20% or more, and the US is 35-40 trillion dollars in debt will we be able to tell whether an extended lock down was worth it. $2 trillion in the first phase of the CARES Act gone is a flash. We'll need another $7.5 to $10 trillion before it's over with, and that's if the lock down ends soon.
I've been taking my pets to the same vet since the early '60's. My cousin started the place. He's been retired for the last 15 years.
They are doing the call from your car, stay in the car, they take the dogs in and out and pay by phone.
I have known them all for years. The office manager has been there since day one. I trust them to take the best care possible with my dogs. It's not a problem at all.
They are doing the call from your car, stay in the car, they take the dogs in and out and pay by phone.
I have known them all for years. The office manager has been there since day one. I trust them to take the best care possible with my dogs. It's not a problem at all.
I saw TP on the shelf at a food Lion for the first time in a month this morning.
Ours has had a few packs once a week. Maybe 20 pkgs at the most.
I look at my tight controls as the best way to protect my staff, clients, and business.
If one of my staff gets COVID-19, we will have to close down for a minimum of 2 weeks so everyone goes into quarantine. And because I care enough for them and their families and for my family, I would be renting hotel rooms for 2 weeks. And then we would have to re-sanitize the hospital again.
Going forward, we would be known as the plague hospital. Just look at crap being said about the rest homes and meat packing plants.
So I can live with a few butt hurt Flu Bro's. We have been open 20 years. I have went through enough to not just look 6 months or 1 year down the road. We plan 3, 5, and 10 years out.
If one of my staff gets COVID-19, we will have to close down for a minimum of 2 weeks so everyone goes into quarantine. And because I care enough for them and their families and for my family, I would be renting hotel rooms for 2 weeks. And then we would have to re-sanitize the hospital again.
Going forward, we would be known as the plague hospital. Just look at crap being said about the rest homes and meat packing plants.
So I can live with a few butt hurt Flu Bro's. We have been open 20 years. I have went through enough to not just look 6 months or 1 year down the road. We plan 3, 5, and 10 years out.
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Imagine if we had a real quarantine and not this half-assed one that kept all the big box stores open?
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Smart using parking lot as lobby.Our vet is telling everyone on the phone and has it posted on the door: Stay in you car, call the lobby on your phone, we'll send someone out to see what you need. No more than one customer in the lobby at a time.
I saw TP on the shelf at a food Lion for the first time in a month this morning.
we need to get to our vet soon for dentals. We have small dog breeds and their gums are terrible right now. We’re supposed to fleet then in March.
The two pups at my house needed shots last week. Our vet uses the same parking lot drop-off and pick-up routine ... and I really like it. No struggle to keep animals apart in the lobby, no boredom waiting for the doctor in the "consultation room" and no fight to do paperwork and pay while animals are playing meet-n-greet in the lobby. I would not object at all if my vet continued the current routine although between a third and a half of his office would become unused space.
Hell, I got curbside pickup at a restaurant for the first time last night and it was awesome. You just pull into the parking lot and they bring the food to the window. Misanthropes like myself are loving the "keep your troglodyte ass in the car and off the back of my neck" new normal.
As far as vets go, ours has always offered this 'service' for our sick and/or shy dogs. Hell, he's worked on them while they were in the car. I wish emergency rooms and doctor's offices would get on board with this treatment, and fetch folks out of their vehicles for triage and appointments, but I realize treating patients like dumb cash cattle is a pretty essential component for Atrium health.
Our big problem with curbside is we are right beside a kind of busy hwy. Most pets mind the owners when walking on leash. When a stranger tries to walk them they fight and pull back. And most collars will slip over the pets head. If someone is going to lose a pet in parking lot I would rather it be an owner that pet might listen to.
We are using our vestibule as a transfer box- Owner brings in and clips collar to a lead I mounted on wall, then they exit and staff come in to get pet to take to back for doc to see/ treat. We call owner with exam findings, get meds up, check out over phone, pet goes back out in vestibule, owner comes in and gets pets and meds, leaves. We then clean in/ out door handles for next owner, rinse repeat.
It might hurt our business some- we will lose the "see you 1 time a year folks"... maybe.We don't chase that segment. For every 1 person that has had a problem with it, we get 10 thanking us for protecting them and our staff. The folks we service have pets that get better care than most kids.
But you will be hard find another vet schedules 45 min appointments for each animal- 30 min of which doctor is in room. Our client service is good enough that we are seeing grand kids of our first clients bringing in their pets. We are the kind of business folks talk about when they talk about a old style "family" doctor.
We are using our vestibule as a transfer box- Owner brings in and clips collar to a lead I mounted on wall, then they exit and staff come in to get pet to take to back for doc to see/ treat. We call owner with exam findings, get meds up, check out over phone, pet goes back out in vestibule, owner comes in and gets pets and meds, leaves. We then clean in/ out door handles for next owner, rinse repeat.
It might hurt our business some- we will lose the "see you 1 time a year folks"... maybe.We don't chase that segment. For every 1 person that has had a problem with it, we get 10 thanking us for protecting them and our staff. The folks we service have pets that get better care than most kids.
But you will be hard find another vet schedules 45 min appointments for each animal- 30 min of which doctor is in room. Our client service is good enough that we are seeing grand kids of our first clients bringing in their pets. We are the kind of business folks talk about when they talk about a old style "family" doctor.
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