Involved in a high speed chase today.

I can’t bring myself to LIKE that you’re hurting. But I LIKE that you’re doing something about it. ;)
thanks buddy. slept from six-ish yesterday till now, 3:45, will go back to sleep. still a little headache. I'll take more tylenol when I get up in two hours.
yall rule.
 
I called an urgent care place today around noon, my headache was still bothering me (still is, actually).
They said to go to hospital where they could handle CT scans etc
I went to Novant in Thomasville, they did a CT scan and said no swelling or bleeding of brain, and if I still had headaches on MOnday to contact/go back

It's just a droning headache, not sharp pains, just steady frontal area

Glad you went and saw someone. Stay in top of it. Hope you wake up today and all pain is gone.


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The liability issue in this situation may wind up being interesting. My girlfriends son was sitting at a stop sign. Got hit by a driver being chased by the Florence Police Dept. they saw the boy, knew he has no license. They chased and he was a block from home when he hit her car. Of course he had no insurance and even though the cop had been told to terminate the chase since they knew who he was, they had no liability. She had to use her uninsured motorist insurance to fix her car. All was well we thought until her insurance company doubled her premiums. In S.C. they can do that. It’s actually in the fine print. It was eventually resolved and she didn’t have to pay extra, but most would not have gone to the extreme that she did to fight them.
 
I'm happy to read that you went and got checked out.:) @DrScaryGuy nailed it for sure.

I am currently doing PT sessions hoping that the neck issues I have that are causing tingling in my arms doesn't lead to surgery. I got rear ended some years ago and didn't do anything about it because I felt sorry for the lady and was glad she had her baby properly restrained, etc. I did let her insurance company pay for the car though. I've had minor pain issues ever since and IMHO that accident lead to what I have going on now. My doc said he couldn't disagree with my theory. Cumulative effect. Maybe he's just humoring me, who knows? Try not to ignore any symptoms.

Yep, I always suggested a 5 year old Lincoln Town car for kid's first vehicle.

In'68 a girl I knew in HS got her drivers license and her dad bought her an Electra 225 to drive.
Biggest car in the HS parking lot.

Yep. Although those old lead sleds could be dangerous to the occupants if not using seat belts. Lots of sharp edges on those dashboards. If you didn't eat the front window, or impale your face on your glow in the dark dashboard Jesus and have it enter your brain, a lot of bad crashes were survivable.

Back in my car sellin days I sold a ton of Crown Vic squad cars. That lead to a lot of cops coming to buy personal vehicles. We had Mercurys but not Lincolns because of our small town demographic. Many of them bought a Grand Marquis. Same car as a Vic, but lots nicer for about a hundred bucks more. After the sale since I didn't want them to think twice, I would sometimes ask them why a Marquis after spending all day in a Crown Vic. The same answer all the time..."I see what happens on the highways".
 
The liability issue in this situation may wind up being interesting. My girlfriends son was sitting at a stop sign. Got hit by a driver being chased by the Florence Police Dept. they saw the boy, knew he has no license. They chased and he was a block from home when he hit her car. Of course he had no insurance and even though the cop had been told to terminate the chase since they knew who he was, they had no liability. She had to use her uninsured motorist insurance to fix her car. All was well we thought until her insurance company doubled her premiums. In S.C. they can do that. It’s actually in the fine print. It was eventually resolved and she didn’t have to pay extra, but most would not have gone to the extreme that she did to fight them.
well surely the police have liability insurance
I called yesterday and asked about the dashcam footage - would be cool to see me get in a wreck, likely my only chance ever
They said it was officer's discretion
 
well surely the police have liability insurance
I called yesterday and asked about the dashcam footage - would be cool to see me get in a wreck, likely my only chance ever
They said it was officer's discretion
I’m sure you will be fine, it just might wind up being a pain in the ass, but what isn’t these days! Also, was the officer wearing his mask?
 
well surely the police have liability insurance
I called yesterday and asked about the dashcam footage - would be cool to see me get in a wreck, likely my only chance ever
They said it was officer's discretion
FOIA to get video. Your insurance should handle it with the trooper who hit you if you have collision coverage.
 
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I think it was one of these guys, leaning more towards the second since, again, Im pretty sure he tagged the minivan in front of me
  • William Preston Routh, 30, of 313 Calvin Road, Thomasville, was charged with flee/elude arrest with motor vehicle, assault with a deadly weapon on a government official, felonious restraint, misdemeanor injury to real property, driving with a revoked license, fictitious registration, $55,000 secured bond, Oct. 21.
  • Brandon Lucas, 28, of 214 W. Guilford St., Thomasville, was charged with flee/elude arrest with a motor vehicle, assault with a deadly weapon on a government official, felony possession of marijuana, possession with the intent to sell or deliver a Schedule VI controlled substance, misdemeanor resisting a public officer, driving with a revoked license, hit/run failure to stop after accident, $150,000 secured bond, Sept. 9.
 
Picked up the police report and there's part of it that I dont care for - it makes it seem like i was turning onto the road that was perpendicular to the ramp. I was not. I mean, that was the plan and I did eventually, but not when hit.

They would not release dashcam footage, said my insurance could request it

and, the part that I really dont care for
They said, "File it with your insurance and then they can contact us"
Ive spoken with my insurance company and really hate the idea of this going on my insurance at all
 
They just do not want to deal with you. Hoping your insurance company will pay and not go after them. Foil the dash cam or file a lawsuit and get it from discovery. Should probably send them a letter requesting that the footage be maintained so they do not delete.
I agree with this.
EDIT - looking at this after I posted it, apologies for typing so much!
ask your your company what you need to do. Tell them it was clearly the officers fault. They should contact the police’s insurance and work it out. Getting your company as much info as they need will help this go quicker.
Tell your insurance up front that it was not your fault, and you do not want to file a claim that will go against your own insurance. Just so they realize that. Nothing says you *have* to make your insurance pay. And they don’t want to. :)
Also, if it is totaled, ask them what the buyback is. If it is still drivable (which I think it is from the pics), you can almost always sell it for more than the buyback. Like they might give you a payout, and then it would cost you $600 to keep the car. You could sell the car for more than that after you get the salvage title back. Or you could keep the car and fix it yourself and keep driving it.
Another point – In my opinion - don’t let them take the car from you. If they think it is totaled, the insurance company will often want you to take it to a Copart location and leave it. Don’t do this. Make them send an adjuster to you, or give you an appointment where you can wait to have it inspected (if they need to put it on a lift). Don’t let the car leave your possession, because you don’t know what they are going to do with it. Keeping it in your possession gives you the power to negotiate their payout and not settle until you are satisfied with what they will give you. Once they have the car, you are kind of at their mercy and it is harder to get it back.
I’d be happy to take a look at it this weekend when you come pick up that ammo, and give you my thoughts on it.
Last point… If they are going to fix it, or while they are dragging their feet on an estimate, the police insurance should give you a rental. They won’t want to, but they will. You’ll probably have to ask for it. We drove a rental minivan for several months while my we were waiting for them to process the claim on my wife’s minivan that got rear ended. I kept telling them – the sooner you settle this, the sooner you can start paying for our rental.
And one more last point :p Do everything you can to fight to get the true value of your vehicle. The insurance company wants to lowball you. They are not really looking out for your best interest. They should also offer you a medical payment for the doctor/hospital visits you have had to do. Don’t settle on that until you are sure there is nothing wrong with you. They will want to offer you a cash amount and have you sign that off as final medical when you tell them you have been getting checked out. Once you’re sure you are OK, take the extra amount they are offering for pain and suffering and don’t feel bad about it, because you’ll need it to make up the difference for the value they don’t give you on your car.
 
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Picked up the police report and there's part of it that I dont care for - it makes it seem like i was turning onto the road that was perpendicular to the ramp. I was not. I mean, that was the plan and I did eventually, but not when hit.
so, they're filing a false police report to manipulate insurance?
if only there was a term for that sort of thing...
 
The title of this thread makes me think that I should post about the 3-way I was involved in; couple upstairs was going at it vigorously and some dust fell in my room.

As for the actual accident, don't go off on anyone until you read NC General Statutes Chapter 20. Motor Vehicles § 20-156 which I believe states that the driver must yield to an emergency vehicle. I know of no definition of "yield" that includes pulling in front of them.

I know that the officer's vehicle struck yours, but it may well be your fault which would mean that your insurance will be paying for the officer's car too.
 
The title of this thread makes me think that I should post about the 3-way I was involved in; couple upstairs was going at it vigorously and some dust fell in my room.

As for the actual accident, don't go off on anyone until you read NC General Statutes Chapter 20. Motor Vehicles § 20-156 which I believe states that the driver must yield to an emergency vehicle. I know of no definition of "yield" that includes pulling in front of them.

I know that the officer's vehicle struck yours, but it may well be your fault which would mean that your insurance will be paying for the officer's car too.

Per the OP he tried to yield to the emergency vehicle by pulling over to the right, which I assume was out of his lane. Unfortunately the officer decided to go right also and hit his car. Since the officer was not already right when he made his move, the officer is at fault. Dash cam would tell all.
 
@DangerRuss has covered it from one end to the other. You want to make sure if at all possible that your insurance company doesn't pay for your car, because if they do, your rates are subject to soar and they can do it in NC and SC without real reason. The way it was explained to my by 3 different Insurance Agents, if you are involved in an accident and 100% NOT AT FAULT, they can still consider you a risky cover and go up on your rates. Here is the really great part. Once you are determined to be a risky driver, its entered into a data base for every other Insurance Company to see in case you decide to drop your company and find another. Ask me how I know. I'm paying through the ass for a wreck that was determined not my fault after I went to court. The other driver's insurance failed to pay because they still claimed I was at fault even after the court found me not. They have this right believe it or not. Thats when I should have got a lawyer, but thought it would work itself out. It did, right out of my wallet. Once you hit the data base, you are screwed.
 
Per the OP he tried to yield to the emergency vehicle by pulling over to the right, which I assume was out of his lane. Unfortunately the officer decided to go right also and hit his car. Since the officer was not already right when he made his move, the officer is at fault. Dash cam would tell all.
I admit that the original story could be read a number of different ways. Evidence says that the impact was the right rear, and only the right rear of the OP’s car. Seems likely that the front left of the police car impacted the rear right of the OP’s car, which would indicate that the cop was using that lane before the OP pulled over. Not sure if the accident was in a traffic lane or the berm, and not sure that it would matter. But you’re right, video would clear it up.
 
@DangerRuss has covered it from one end to the other. You want to make sure if at all possible that your insurance company doesn't pay for your car, because if they do, your rates are subject to soar and they can do it in NC and SC without real reason. The way it was explained to my by 3 different Insurance Agents, if you are involved in an accident and 100% NOT AT FAULT, they can still consider you a risky cover and go up on your rates. Here is the really great part. Once you are determined to be a risky driver, its entered into a data base for every other Insurance Company to see in case you decide to drop your company and find another. Ask me how I know. I'm paying through the ass for a wreck that was determined not my fault after I went to court. The other driver's insurance failed to pay because they still claimed I was at fault even after the court found me not. They have this right believe it or not. Thats when I should have got a lawyer, but thought it would work itself out. It did, right out of my wallet. Once you hit the data base, you are screwed.
Need to get a real answer from someone more expert than me, but I believe that in NC an increase is determined by the cost to the insurance company, the more they pay out the more they can increase your rate. If they pay and then get it back from the other guys insurance, then it cost your company nothing and your rates don’t go up. In your case they had to pay, so your rates went up, fault isn’t relevant. I have a wife and two daughters, so I have experience with auto accidents and insurance, but am no expert on the topic.
 
Per the OP he tried to yield to the emergency vehicle by pulling over to the right, which I assume was out of his lane. Unfortunately the officer decided to go right also and hit his car. Since the officer was not already right when he made his move, the officer is at fault. Dash cam would tell all.

Let me be clear - I never left my lane. My lane was next to the grass (which, Im quite sure) has a curb. I never departed MY LANE, I simply shifted over some in it.
 
I admit that the original story could be read a number of different ways. Evidence says that the impact was the right rear, and only the right rear of the OP’s car. Seems likely that the front left of the police car impacted the rear right of the OP’s car, which would indicate that the cop was using that lane before the OP pulled over. Not sure if the accident was in a traffic lane or the berm, and not sure that it would matter. But you’re right, video would clear it up.

First - Id say I was involved in it when the cop that was chasing a suspect hit me.
Secondly, and I stated this a moment ago - I did not leave my lane. The route that he was trying to take included both my lane and the grass.
Youre right, my right rear, his front left were the collision points on the vehicle, but I never went into a 'lane' he was using, as there is no other lane than the one I was in (or the one made for turning left, which, obviously, would be on the left of me. He chose NOT to go between those two, as it forks where we were and there was a gap between the two lanes.
 
My company's insurance adjuster called me yesterday and took my statement, I kept reiterating the need to see the dashcam footage - even though I would love to see it, more so for THEM to see what happened/see that I never departed my lane, but shifted more to the right.

Then they hit me with some bad news, possible bad news - there is government immunity in NC and there's a large chance that the PD wont cover it. They will contact me back as soon as they have more information.
 
My company's insurance adjuster called me yesterday and took my statement, I kept reiterating the need to see the dashcam footage - even though I would love to see it, more so for THEM to see what happened/see that I never departed my lane, but shifted more to the right.

Then they hit me with some bad news, possible bad news - there is government immunity in NC and there's a large chance that the PD wont cover it. They will contact me back as soon as they have more information.

By statute, boards of county commissioners, city councils and local school boards waive governmental immunity by the purchase of liability insurance, but only to the extent of coverage. G.S. 153A‐435 (for counties); G.S. 160A‐485 (for cities); G.S. 115C‐42 (for school boards). Was it a local or state agency?
 
First - Id say I was involved in it when the cop that was chasing a suspect hit me.
Secondly, and I stated this a moment ago - I did not leave my lane. The route that he was trying to take included both my lane and the grass.
Youre right, my right rear, his front left were the collision points on the vehicle, but I never went into a 'lane' he was using, as there is no other lane than the one I was in (or the one made for turning left, which, obviously, would be on the left of me. He chose NOT to go between those two, as it forks where we were and there was a gap between the two lanes.
That’s much clearer, it may be interpreted by the city/state insurance as “Cop came up behind me with lights and sirens, I didn’t yield my lane.” You don’t seem to have a good answer, by that I mean an answer that makes this not your fault, for why you moved into or stayed in his path.

Honestly not picking on you or pushing your buttons, just giving you an alternate view that you may want to be aware of as you work through insurance. Good luck, in the best of circumstances it sucks.
 
By statute, boards of county commissioners, city councils and local school boards waive governmental immunity by the purchase of liability insurance, but only to the extent of coverage. G.S. 153A‐435 (for counties); G.S. 160A‐485 (for cities); G.S. 115C‐42 (for school boards). Was it a local or state agency?
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@JimB I dont see how it COULD be my fault. I was mostly still (I did mention that I shifted right slightly to make room on the left, but never departed MY lane), I was hit by a cop that was attempting, and this was in the police report, to take the same grass route as the fleeing car
 
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@JimB I dont see how it COULD be my fault. I was mostly still (I did mention that I shifted right slightly to make room on the left, but never departed MY lane), I was hit by a cop that was attempting, and this was in the police report, to take the same grass route as the fleeing car

I seriously doubt you will have an issue. But hey call a lawyer and ask they after all should know.
 
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@JimB I dont see how it COULD be my fault. I was mostly still (I did mention that I shifted right slightly to make room on the left, but never departed MY lane), I was hit by a cop that was attempting, and this was in the police report, to take the same grass route as the fleeing car

I’m just playing devils advocate, doubt that they care enough to fight. OTOH, if they pull the video and it shows you shifting right into the path of the police car with lights flashing and sirens blaring maybe they decide you did it on purpose and charge you with assaulting an officer. Maybe it comes down to the particular officers driving record, if he’s had some problems hitting things maybe he works hard to shift the blame and you swerving could do that.

I’m sure that my tinfoil is just on too tight, but I’d at least figure out which lawyer to call in case things start to go sideways. For sure the city and the office have lawyers already on it.
 
I’m sure that my tinfoil is just on too tight, but I’d at least figure out which lawyer to call in case things start to go sideways. For sure the city and the office have lawyers already on it.

On it.
I think @BatteryOaksBilly may have suggested it earlier, and now you, yeah. Things have 'gone sideways,' in my opinion.
And, coincidentally, he's a gun guy. I called a well known place local to me, they gave me to one of their guys and he asked me if I knew my father (well, not in those words, but do you know ____ _____ from the range?" and I said that he was my father, I was on the board too.), told me he'd helped with something recently and so, yeah, small world.

We'll talk next week

Good news - it seems like since it was not my fault (and this isnt just me talking, but insurance company as well), this will NOT affect my insurance, will NOT add points to my policy. That's good.
 
On it.
I think @BatteryOaksBilly may have suggested it earlier, and now you, yeah. Things have 'gone sideways,' in my opinion.
And, coincidentally, he's a gun guy. I called a well known place local to me, they gave me to one of their guys and he asked me if I knew my father (well, not in those words, but do you know ____ _____ from the range?" and I said that he was my father, I was on the board too.), told me he'd helped with something recently and so, yeah, small world.

We'll talk next week

Good news - it seems like since it was not my fault (and this isnt just me talking, but insurance company as well), this will NOT affect my insurance, will NOT add points to my policy. That's good.
Yeah believe that about the rates and points and I have ALOT of stuff I'll sell you.
 
If the insurance companies have agreed that the city insurance pays then you should be golden!
 
Im sure I'll be sore tomorrow

Guys my head is still killing me, btu no blurry vision or anyhting of that sort. Had several lengthy conversations afterwards.
I feel good minus headache
But IM sure my body will be sore from tensing up. I saw it at the last second, I knew it was coming.
I'm sure you're getting numbness & tingling in your hands.
 
Here we are, a long time later, and it's all over. Well, apart from my continuation of paying my medical bills, which are about finished.

Attorney is/was great, NC law just protects LEO during their duty and there's nothing he, or we, can do to change that
Still a bummer though.
 
Here we are, a long time later, and it's all over. Well, apart from my continuation of paying my medical bills, which are about finished.

Attorney is/was great, NC law just protects LEO during their duty and there's nothing he, or we, can do to change that
Still a bummer though.
Seriously curious, did the state pay for any of your medical bills or property damage? I hope so, no reason for you to bear the cost of law enforcement action that society has determined is appropriate.

Suing the state is tough, they write the rules. I’m finding that unless you can prove that the state employee acted clearly outside their statutory authority they invoke sovereign immunity and that’s all there is to it.
 
Seriously curious, did the state pay for any of your medical bills or property damage? I hope so, no reason for you to bear the cost of law enforcement action that society has determined is appropriate.

Suing the state is tough, they write the rules. I’m finding that unless you can prove that the state employee acted clearly outside their statutory authority they invoke sovereign immunity and that’s all there is to it.
zero.

I didnt attempt to sue the state or even the local LEO which was involved in this
He (lawyer) was going after the insurance company, which handles the LEO

My insurances (car and health) paid an unknown (to me) number of dollars and I am personally out thousands.
It stinks.

My fighting spirit is not crushed. I have been thinking a lot about this. I want change. If not for me, for others who have to bear the burden like I did.
 
That sucks. Did your attorney attempt a third party claim against the driver and/or owner of the vehicle that the police were chasing? That sometimes works, but not if they have no insurance. Actually your insurance company probably tried to subrogate to both the police department and the other driver, but if you don’t know it’s worth asking.
Sorry man
 
That sucks. Did your attorney attempt a third party claim against the driver and/or owner of the vehicle that the police were chasing? That sometimes works, but not if they have no insurance. Actually your insurance company probably tried to subrogate to both the police department and the other driver, but if you don’t know it’s worth asking.
Sorry man
I do not think he did, focus was on their insurance company.
 
Tomorrow go to the ER and start babbling about nothing. Then get checked out reporting the wreck. Practice a tick tonight. Smack yourself in the face while getting examined. And damnit hold that neck. I’m pretty sure you have PTSD as well. If none of that works get a follow up but come naked with a MAGA hat on.

No! They‘ll diagnose him with Covid, and put him on a ventilator and Remdesivir. He’ll be dead in 48 hours. 😱

@HMP go to your normal Dr and get looked at. My daughter’s have both played volleyball and a lot of kids get mild concussions with lasting effects from innocent sounding hits to the head or jarring movements. Just be safe.
 
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