Just what are the rules of this forum?

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I lost our on an item a few weeks ago because someone sent a pm before I posted, "I'll take it". Today, I lost out on an item, even though I sent a message first, but didn't post on the thread, "I'll take it". Seems that this needs to be cleaned up before someone gets a hot head. I love this forum, but with so many new members joining and selling without intros knowing how things work, it is frustrating. Maybe I am the one that doesn't know the rules.... Please educate me. And yes, I drive a POS car so that I can buy guns.... :cool:
 
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As a regular member, please correct mods, as I understand it, "I'll take it" doesn't mean anything.

The idea of "I'll take it" locking a seller in is pretty restricting. What if that person is really far away, and requires shipping, and there is another member closeby that you can drive to? Or, heck, you just don't like that guy.

I think it's up the seller to agree. When both parties agree, then it's set in stone. And I like this, I favor more freedom for the seller, but understanding that our word is our bond.
 
Price, Place, Time, Terms

^ that is what constitutes a deal. ā€œIā€™ll take itā€ or ā€œDibs!ā€ are irrelevant.

as @pinkbunny said, if you say ā€œIā€™ll take it!ā€ then follow up with, ā€œIā€™ll pay you next Tuesday after you drive across state lines to deliverā€ the seller has no obligation to you.



EDIT FOR THE NEW MEMBERS TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO!!!ā€™

THIS ISN'T ARMSLIST. IF YOU AGREE TO TIME, PLACE, PRICE AND TERMS - then donā€™t follow through, we will ban you without a 2nd chance.
 
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Group23 said:
I lost our on an item a few weeks ago because someone sent a pm before I posted, "I'll take it". Today, I lost out on an item, even though I sent a message first, but didn't post on the thread, "I'll take it". Seems that this needs to be cleaned up before someone gets a hot head. I love this forum, but with so many new members joining and selling without intros knowing how things work, it is frustrating. Maybe I am the one that doesn't know the rules.... Please educate me. And yes, I drive a POS car so that I can buy guns.... :cool:
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Just out of curiosity since he had obo in his add did you offer to buy at his price or
Make an offer
 
Could just be that newer PM's show up higher on the queue, so seen first. Also, Charlotte a lot closer to Monroe.
 
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@Tim
As a Charter member ....it was my understanding that "I'll take it" gives me 1st chance at your item you're selling.
If things don't work out between you and I, it will be put back for sale as the deal fell thru.
If it was a distance thing or our schedules didn't work out...no harm...no foul.
However....not agreeing to said terms between you and I would cause for negative feedback ..and then ban if necessary.

Correct? Or have y'all changed things...??

DS
 
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I'm not a charter member, but I am a supporting member, and I just want to know what I am supposed to do when I want to buy something offered for sale! I understand that sometimes distance is a factor, and if I am not willing to drive that far, I ignore it. Sometimes is seems like CFF means Charlotte Firearms Forum... Guess I'll have to drive down there when my new hip is healed up and introduce myself.
 
I'll take it means that you'll take it at the seller's terms without any conditions. I always send the seller a PM and then immediately post I'll take it, PM sent.
 
Because if distances sometimes I believe we need to add something to that the rules.
This is what I do if something is a couple hrs away. I make sure I can be there ( all the way to the buyer) within 2 days before I post ā€œIā€™ll take itā€ If the seller allows more time and willing to meet halfway thatā€™s up to HIM. Just the way I do things.
 
Group23 said:
I lost our on an item a few weeks ago because someone sent a pm before I posted, "I'll take it". Today, I lost out on an item, even though I sent a message first, but didn't post on the thread, "I'll take it". Seems that this needs to be cleaned up before someone gets a hot head. I love this forum, but with so many new members joining and selling without intros knowing how things work, it is frustrating. Maybe I am the one that doesn't know the rules.... Please educate me. And yes, I drive a POS car so that I can buy guns.... :cool:
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Per the rules: [ https://carolinafirearmsforum.com/index.php?threads/site-classified-rules.15223/ ]
1c. ALL offers to buy or trade should be via Private Message. The only exception is an "I'll take it" immediately followed up by a Private Message.

That said, I freely admit that I have been doing it wrong. Somewhere I manufactured in my own mind the idea that an "I'll take it" was more binding than that. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
 
JT said:
Per the rules: [ https://carolinafirearmsforum.com/index.php?threads/site-classified-rules.15223/ ]
1c. ALL offers to buy or trade should be via Private Message. The only exception is an "I'll take it" immediately followed up by a Private Message.

That said, I freely admit that I have been doing it wrong. Somewhere I manufactured in my own mind the idea that an "I'll take it" was more binding than that. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
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This!!!!
It was my understanding as well that "I'll take it" was binding the buyer to the sellers terms as well as possible negative feedback if backing out.
PM's always follow the I'll take it. The I'll take it was for time stamp purposes if 2 people wanted the same item.

At least thats how I've always done it

DS
 
Tim pretty much has this in hand. But just to consolidate.

Until both parties agree to a price, a time and a place to meet there is no deal.

Whoā€™s first doesnā€™t mean anything unless both sides agree to the above.

Thatā€™s it guys.

The person listing an item has no obligation to sell you something just because you say dibs. This isnā€™t grade school and you havenā€™t worked out any details with him.

You may want him to drive further. He may not
Have seen your post or PM. Too many things to list.

Once the buyer and the seller have worked out a place a price and a time to meet we will ban either party if they welsh on the deal
 
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Group23 said:
If it is subjective, regardless of timing, then there really aren't any rules. And I say subjective, because one can choose who they reply to.
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See the above.

The rules apply once a deal has been struck.

Someone else may be able to meet sooner or itā€™s someone theyā€™ve dealt with before or any number of things.

There is absolutely no way to moderate any of that.
What we can moderate are pmā€™s showing that a time a place and a price have been agreed to by both parties.

Both parties is important. Weā€™ve had instances where both parties had agreed to a price and the buyer drove to the city the seller lived in and sent 15 pmā€™s saying Iā€™m here. Where are you so I can pay you.

Thatā€™s not how it works. He may be out of town or at work or with his family or simply finds it really creepy that someone drove to his town and is being aggressive about meeting up.
 
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Tim pretty much has this in hand. But just to consolidate.

Until both parties agree to a price, a time and a place to meet there is no deal.

Whoā€™s first doesnā€™t mean anything unless both sides agree to the above.

Thatā€™s it guys.

The person listing an item has no obligation to sell you something just because you say dibs. This isnā€™t grade school and you havenā€™t worked out any details with him.

You may want him to drive further. He may not
Have seen your post or PM. Too many things to list.

Once the buyer and the seller have worked out a place a price and a time to meet we will ban either party of the welsh on the deal
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Then why even post anything. Just let the seller update the add as sold to whomever. That way the seller can do as he pleases and no will will question time stamps.
 
IMO an Iā€™ll take it posted in the post, followed by an immediate PM stating the same and asking for the sellers time and place to make the exchange, should be binding for the buyer.
The seller should have the right to sell to whomever he pleases, that being said once a place and time is agreed on by both parties (via PM) the deal is done and either party backing out should be cause for negative Feedback.
 
And stating ā€œIā€™ll take itā€ in a thread means you take it at that price.

Donā€™t post an ill take it then make an offer in private and get mad when youā€™re declined. Weā€™ve had that happen also.
 
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And stating ā€œIā€™ll take itā€ in a thread means you take it at that price.

Donā€™t post an ill take it then make an offer in private and get mad when youā€™re declined. Weā€™ve had that happen also
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Exactly, Iā€™ll take it means Iā€™ll take it. If you want it $50 bucks cheaper then say ā€œIā€™ll take it if you knock $50 off the price!ā€
Not sure if negotiations in the thread are ā€œlegalā€ or do you have to keep it to PM lol
 
I take it should mean sellers terms.
If you.say I'll take it if you knock of 50.00 that's negotiation not taking it.
But I do think the first I'll take it in a thread should carry some weight.
 
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I have bought and sold a TON of bass guitar gear via a forum. Full disclosure, I haven't sold anything through this forum. But I have bought one gun.

Selling a gun is different. It requires a lot of trust. I'm only selling a gun to somebody I get a "good feeling" from. Period. If that means I can't sell here, fine. But I gotta feel like I'm doing a legal sale to someone with a good head on his/her shoulders. If that means I have to bump the first (or second or third) offer, fine.

Guns are dangerous in the wrong hands. I'm not selling to just anybody.

I'm new here. I would totally understand if I got bumped for a long-time member with lots of good feedback.
 
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I have bought and sold a TON of bass guitar gear via a forum. Full disclosure, I haven't sold anything through this forum. But I have bought one gun.

Selling a gun is different. It requires a lot of trust. I'm only selling a gun to somebody I get a "good feeling" from. Period. If that means I can't sell here, fine. But I gotta feel like I'm doing a legal sale to someone with a good head on his/her shoulders. If that means I have to bump the first (or second or third) offer, fine.

Guns are dangerous in the wrong hands. I'm not selling to just anybody.

I'm new here. I would totally understand if I got bumped for a long-time member with lots of good feedback.
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Glad to know that the Sheriff backgrounds checks on handguns donā€™t satisfy you. Cars and and guitars could be use to kill. You sell them to people that have no background checks???? Thatā€™s just iIrresponsible:)
I support the 2a but,,,
 
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As a seller I usually post my terms in the for-sale ad, which usually includes that *I reserve the right to sell to whom I choose* especially if it is a firearm. I am alway fair.

It seems like new folks are arriving by the hour who may have done it differently whereever they came from, or are new to the whole gun forum thing, and donā€™t know about the rules and expectations here.

Spell things out in your ad as to what you may or may not be willing to do time-wise and travel-wise.
 
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Exactly, Iā€™ll take it means Iā€™ll take it. If you want it $50 bucks cheaper then say ā€œIā€™ll take it if you knock $50 off the price!ā€
Not sure if negotiations in the thread are ā€œlegalā€ or do you have to keep it to PM lol
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the rules in that point could not be any clearer. Make offers via PM.
 
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not sure where you get that. Weā€™ve made it pretty clear here what the rule is.

Agree to a time, place, terms, price and honor your word.
ā€œIā€™ll take itā€ gives you a warm fuzzy, but is not necessary and is not binding.
 
For the most part I typically correspond via PM with the seller of anything I am interested in. I may post PM sent in the thread. Most recently with working a trade with @crazysarge16 on a Glock 26. It took us several PMs to work out some logistics (trade items, meet place, time, etc) and in one of my PMs I told him that if he had a buyer before we arranged anything to sell it. It was more of a want than a need for me. After several PMs we worked it out. After doing it like this I then go back to the thread the item is listed in and post "I'll take it per our PM" if the item has not sold. I realize it may seem a little backwards for some but I'd rather see if I could work something final out via PM then post I'll take it per PM once a deal is reached.
 
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If it is subjective, regardless of timing, then there really aren't any rules. And I say subjective, because one can choose who they reply to.
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As they should be able to do. Why should the buyer be able to buy from whomever they want but the seller can't sell to whomever they want? It is common courtesy to give the first responder the attention but it's a free country as far as...well used to be but you get my drift. There are greasy people and greasy feelings about people and if it doesn't feel right then you shouldn't be force to make the sale.
 
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It may not be popular but I believe the rule is until the seller has agreed upon price/place/time, he/she reserves the right to sell to whomever they please.
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This is pretty much my understanding. I just had one last last week where I made an offer, seller accepted and we were messaging about a time and place to meet. I offered to come out the next day and for him to let me know when and where, I was flexible. I guess another member made an offer in the middle of this and I made an offer to match since I was the first to contact. Other member upped his offer and seller stopped responding to me. Still doesn't completely sit right with me, if I ever except and offer, I'm going to sell it to that guy no matter.

It seems to me, with these rules, we open up an auction which I thought we were against. Honestly not a huge deal for me as I really don't buy and sell a ton. No hard feelings either on the deal I described, just observations.
 
I just always thought that the first "I'll take it" trumped the "pm sent" post or the negotiations going on and that you would take it per sellers price and rules ex; bill of sale, you come to me, etc. Being able to pick through slimeballs is sellers right but turning it into an auction seems a little slimey.
 
Majicmike said:
Glad to know that the Sheriff backgrounds checks on handguns donā€™t satisfy you. Cars and and guitars could be use to kill. You sell them to people that have no background checks???? Thatā€™s just iIrresponsible:)
I support the 2a but,,,
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That's not what I said. And don't be a drama queen.

I don't sell basses to people with no feedback. Why? People with a dozen or more positive feedbacks make for hassle-free negotiations/transactions.

Also, I live in Greenville, NC. I'm not going to do a deal with someone in Charlotte who wants to meet in Winston when I can do a deal with someone from Farmville who wants to meet me at the Lowe's parking lot.

The first guy who makes an offer might send a message like "Will you take $600? I'm ready to off me some commies!!!" (Yes, I'm taking that to the ridiculous to make a point.)

There are lots of reasons why I might choose to deal with the fourth offer rather than the first. A permit issued by the sheriff might not have anything to do with it. And, frankly, I don't owe anyone an explanation.
 
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is common courtesy to give the first responder the attention
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But it seems we losing the common courtesy factor.
I don't think you should be bound by rule to sell it to the first I'll take it, but you should at least.show him the courtesy of negotiating with him.
Don't like what the guy has to say a simple thanks no thanks and move on.
In the early days we all brought our sense of honor with us from Canada and the next post after an I'll take it was seconds or a congratulations not another I'll take it trying to knock the guy that got there ahead of you out of the deal, and some not all but some of the new people don't get that.




two fingers said:
Also, I live in Greenville, NC. I'm not going to do a deal with someone in Charlotte who wants to meet in Winston
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If a guy post and I'll take with those conditions just send a pm saying as much thank him and say since you're not willing to drive to lowes parking lot at this time I'll be moving on to the next buyer
It would take less than 5 minutes to
be courteous.
 
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