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Me. said:
What did I miss?

Was she not the first person to poke her head through a window where the people on the other side had guns and feared the oncoming mob?


If you were armed in that room, and charged with protecting the people behind you.... what would you have done when the mob breached the room?



Why are some of the same people who sided with Rittenhouse opposed to the shooting of this woman? Pick a lane and stick with it. You’re either for shooting mobsters who threaten to kill you, or you’re not. If you were inside a Minnesota Footlocker store late yesterday evening, you’d have probably shot someone.
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She wasn’t armed, Einstein.
 
Just my 2 cents but “we the people” own the Capitol and can visit it to discuss our duress anytime we please. The footlocker was a private business and was looted. There is a difference to me. I get the argument that she might of had a suicide vest on or whatever but, why weren’t the other officers she passed earlier already stopping her of that was the case.
 
Me. said:
What did I miss?

Was she not the first person to poke her head through a window where the people on the other side had guns and feared the oncoming mob?


If you were armed in that room, and charged with protecting the people behind you.... what would you have done when the mob breached the room?



Why are some of the same people who sided with Rittenhouse opposed to the shooting of this woman? Pick a lane and stick with it. You’re either for shooting mobsters who threaten to kill you, or you’re not. If you were inside a Minnesota Footlocker store late yesterday evening, you’d have probably shot someone.
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I am pretty certain she was unarmed. If an unarmed person pokes their head through your window go ahead and choot ‘em. Let us know how that works out for you. And the fact that armed LEO’s were right behind her kinda shows she was no threat. She wasn’t bright, but not a threat that required shooting.

Heck my neighbor infringing on my grass/fence line is a bigger threat. Maybe I should choot his arse.
 
Radar said:
Just my 2 cents but “we the people” own the Capitol and can visit it to discuss our duress anytime we please. The footlocker was a private business and was looted. There is a difference to me. I get the argument that she might of had a suicide vest on or whatever but, why weren’t the other officers she passed earlier already stopping her of that was the case.
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Cause it was a successful set up but some are too dense to see everything. Thus we have an usurper in the big house.
 
one day.....in the not too distant future, her name along with Lavoy Finicum, Brian Terry, Jose Guerena, et al will be listed as patriots who were murdered by the gov't that was supposed to protect and represent them. There will be a long list of traitors who's worthless carcass hung from a lamppost until it rotted.

That's what the future holds for Marxists.
 
Radar said:
Just my 2 cents but “we the people” own the Capitol and can visit it to discuss our duress anytime we please. The footlocker was a private business and was looted. There is a difference to me. I get the argument that she might of had a suicide vest on or whatever but, why weren’t the other officers she passed earlier already stopping her of that was the case.
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Taxes pay for military bases, too. And in the same regard you're not gonna visit anytime you please.
 
Anyone got the name of the cop that murdered her? Thought not. Anyone got the names of the cop that shot the kid in Minnesota or the cop that kiiled the druggie in Minneapolis last year? Yeah, those were all over the news. And don't try to tell me it is for his "safety", as if the unarmed protesters at the capital are so much more dangerous than armed looters with Molotov cocktails. We are not that stupid. Hell, if they ever do tell us who he was it will probably be when Pelosi gives him a medal.
 
Angry mob breaks through security, situation not under control, obvious threat of violence and numerous responding officers injured badly... Sure seems like justice was served once she decided to take the room temperature challenge.

As we saw throughout that day, once one person is through many more will attempt to burst through and likely succeed. With senators actively evacuating 25yds behind the officer, lethal force is justified. There’s wasn’t enough manpower to both evacuate and secure the rest of the Capitol that much was clear.

This whole “public’s house” crap is just a shitty excuse to justify blatantly illegal and unpatriotic actions that are in no way protected by the Constitution that these people claim to hold so dear. What about the attached is civil discourse.0AADBAEA-1F8B-45BF-864F-E3A5B0DCBE2B.jpeg
 
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TrappyBoy said:
Angry mob breaks through security, situation not under control, obvious threat of violence and numerous responding officers injured badly... Sure seems like justice was served once she decided to take the room temperature challenge.

As we saw throughout that day, once one person is through many more will attempt to burst through and likely succeed. With senators actively evacuating 25yds behind the officer, lethal force is justified. There’s wasn’t enough manpower to both evacuate and secure the rest of the Capitol that much was clear.

This whole “public’s house” crap is just a shitty excuse to justify blatantly illegal and unpatriotic actions that are in no way protected by the Constitution that these people claim to hold so dear. What about the attached is civil discourse.View attachment 324792
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Responses like this are what we get for no longer teaching history in our schools.
 
Uh @TrappyBoy there were no Senators in the House chamber on Jan 6th. Hell as far as I am concerned there wasn't many US Representatives there either, just a bunch of RINOS and Marxist traitors to the Constitution. Maybe they needed to feel a little fear for their actions of late.

History is written by the victors so we will see.
 
A cop or other get type shoots an unarmed woman breaking into a gvt area he is maybe assigned to protect, kills her, doesn’t try to keep her from bleeding out, and gets away with it. If that was my daughter, I would find out who this dumbass was, and deal with him. Cry me a river about the shooter was in fear for his life, or the poor Congress critters were getting nervous because they couldn’t dig an escape hatch quickly enough. Girl should have been home, tear gas coulda been used, batons and Tasers were available, ya da ya da. Those Capitol police idiots had been warned. They had enough notice to be prepared. If the “peaceful protesters” had been serious, dead Congress critters would have been carted out in wheel barrows. If she had been a mixed race, black or brown gal, that city would have burned. They name the shooter, they know he would be dead man walking. The first person to kill a rioter in Minnesota, you can bet his name will be known, chop-chop.
 
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If the “peaceful protesters” had been serious, dead Congress critters would have been carted out in wheel barrows. If she had been a mixed race, black or brown gal, that city would have burned. They name the shooter, they know he would be dead man walking. The first person to kill a rioter in Minnesota, you can bet his name will be known, chop-chop.
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This right here. The screaming hypocrisy of the left is sickening.
 
I paid enough attention in a HS civics class to know that what happened at the Capitol was not protected speech. You wanna break the law, go ahead, but that was the consequence. What happened was legally indefensible, her actions disqualified her from the right to be there, thus she put herself in that position.

Ikarus1 said:
Uh @TrappyBoy there were no Senators in the House chamber on Jan 6th. Hell as far as I am concerned there wasn't many US Representatives there either, just a bunch of RINOS and Marxist traitors to the Constitution. Maybe they needed to feel a little fear for their actions of late
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Ad hominem, regardless of your view of duly elected officials it doesn’t change the legality of the actions committed by the perpetrators. Change the laws if you disagree with them, but while they’re in place they will be enforced.
 
Amanda4461 said:
A cop or other get type shoots an unarmed woman breaking into a gvt area he is maybe assigned to protect, kills her, doesn’t try to keep her from bleeding out, and gets away with it. If that was my daughter, I would find out who this dumbass was, and deal with him. Cry me a river about the shooter was in fear for his life, or the poor Congress critters were getting nervous because they couldn’t dig an escape hatch quickly enough. Girl should have been home, tear gas coulda been used, batons and Tasers were available, ya da ya da. Those Capitol police idiots had been warned. They had enough notice to be prepared. If the “peaceful protesters” had been serious, dead Congress critters would have been carted out in wheel barrows. If she had been a mixed race, black or brown gal, that city would have burned. They name the shooter, they know he would be dead man walking. The first person to kill a rioter in Minnesota, you can bet his name will be known, chop-chop.
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If she was my daughter, I would have told her not to associate herself with a mob.
 
df0101 said:
If she was my daughter, I would have told her not to associate herself with a mob
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my daughter would be taught to respect the institutions that provide her the freedoms she enjoys everyday, and how to resolve grievances in a manner that reinforces the principles of democracy not corrupts them.
 
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Now that this controversial whitewashing has been officially filed, I believe the shooter's name will be revealed through unofficial channels, provable by a specific piece of jewelry seen on the shooter's wrist in one of the videos, and likely also some eye-opening social-media history attributable to the shooter.
 
Stick said:
Anyone got the name of the cop that murdered her? Thought not.
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Officially? No. Unofficially... The chans were on that the week it happened and had the guy pretty much ID'd. I don't recall his name right off, but the info is out there and a quick search will find it. I suspect we will not have a "confirmed" name for years to come, rest assured it'll come out.
 
TrappyBoy said:
I paid enough attention in a HS civics class to know that what happened at the Capitol was not protected speech. You wanna break the law, go ahead, but that was the consequence. What happened was legally indefensible, her actions disqualified her from the right to be there, thus she put herself in that position.


Ad hominem, regardless of your view of duly elected officials it doesn’t change the legality of the actions committed by the perpetrators. Change the laws if you disagree with them, but while they’re in place they will be enforced.
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df0101 said:
If she was my daughter, I would have told her not to associate herself with a mob.
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TrappyBoy said:
my daughter would be taught to respect the institutions that provide her the freedoms she enjoys everyday, and how to resolve grievances in a respectful and peaceful manner.
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Thank God there is an ignore button.
 
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richardlc said:
Thank God there is an ignore button.
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I’m sorry, I never meant to hurt your feelings. Just expressing my opinions to y’all fellow grown ups.


Stick said:
So, just out of curiosity, which agency are you with? Because those are the words of a cop.
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Wouldn’t you like to know...
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just a red blooded American that respects the process our founding fathers gave us for enacting reform.
 
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TrappyBoy said:
Angry mob breaks through security, situation not under control, obvious threat of violence and numerous responding officers injured badly... Sure seems like justice was served once she decided to take the room temperature challenge.

This whole “public’s house” crap is just a shitty excuse to justify blatantly illegal and unpatriotic actions that are in no way protected by the Constitution that these people claim to hold so dear. What about the attached is civil discourse.
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TrappyBoy said:
I paid enough attention in a HS civics class to know that what happened at the Capitol was not protected speech. You wanna break the law, go ahead, but that was the consequence. What happened was legally indefensible, her actions disqualified her from the right to be there, thus she put herself in that position.
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TrappyBoy said:
Ad hominem, regardless of your view of duly elected officials it doesn’t change the legality of the actions committed by the perpetrators. Change the laws if you disagree with them, but while they’re in place they will be enforced.
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TrappyBoy said:
my daughter would be taught to respect the institutions that provide her the freedoms she enjoys everyday, and how to resolve grievances in a manner that reinforces the principles of democracy not corrupts them.
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TrappyBoy said:
...just a red blooded American that respects the process our founding fathers gave us for enacting reform.
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That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
 
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That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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So you would characterize what happened as an insurrection? Not a riot or expression of free speech? Because that’s what that is. Regardless of whether it’s “sanctioned” by a handful of people’s interpretation, an insurrection is exactly what’s described in that excerpt from the Constitution. I think you and the prosecutors agree on that being what happened.

I’ll play along though. Let’s say that the Constitution is giving broad authority for civilians to commit an insurrection. Where do we draw the line? Can someone shoot a governor in the head and claim that’s constitutionally protected under the excerpt you referenced because they believe that the governor is “destructive to these ends”. Most definitely not. The keyword is “People”, big “P”. Public consensus, potentially even majority opinion based, but not individual interpretations. Several hundred people organizing on that day hardly qualify as “the People”. Now maybe if it was nationwide and there was equal and overwhelming support/action similar to those rioters I’d believe it, but that’s not what happened.
 
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The American people have, on a multitude of occasions:

- Written, called, emailed or met with elected representatives to voice their displeasure.

- Gathered peaceably to protest the same.

- Taken their case before the courts.


In return, the government has, on numerous occasions:

- Ignored the voice if the people who elected them.

- Taken action(s) to curtail and/or abolish the liberty of the people, to include the rights enshrined in Amendments 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 and 10.

- Knowingly and willingly waged unjustified violence against American citizens, oftentimes resulting in the death of those citizens and they have done so with impunity.

- Suppressed the voice/votes of the people.


Prove...me...wrong.
 
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