No Justice for Ashli Babbitt

Legit question to those who feel that the Capitol officer who shot the girl was in any way justified since the crowd was breaking in and PSGWSP and such...

If this officer had an MP5 or Uzi instead of a pistol, would you be cool if he just opened up full-auto on the entire crowd? How about the two officers right behind her? Would it have been OK for them to just start picking off protesters? Or is just one OK maybe to set an example for the rest?

Help me understand this, 'cause some of these replies are a bit disconcerting.
 
JRV said:
I'm not sure I understand your point. Self- or third-party-defense is analyzed by the viewpoint of the shooter in the moment. That protects people from government prosecution for circumstances in which facts later prove there was a misunderstanding (think of the YouTube "prank mugger" in Tennessee killed recently). That's not positivism. That's a naturalist view of self-defense that applies to everyone in uniform or in civilian clothes.

Are you saying that a superior officer commanded the officer to open fire? And the officer fired without any knowledge or consideration of the circumstances?
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Sorry to be a bit delayed in reply.

No, but I do submit that a positivist mentality to use any means necessary to carry out his "charge" as instilled by his superiors and allegiance to the system order led to an illicit use of force in this case.

Obviously, I can't speak to what was in the officer's mind - and, because this was administratively dismissed, no one will be able to examine that question outside of a civil suit. Was Ms. Babbitt a personal threat? Seriously? If, rather, it was the "crowd" or "mob" why didn't the officer mag dump to eliminate the threat? No, I think the idea that law (or statute) makes right was in play here, and that is the essence of legal positivism (unless it was simply panic).

And unrelated to the issue of positivism, I find it troubling that this case is subject to an administrative dismissal rather than being deferred to a court proceeding: that was my perspective in titling the thread as I did.

I'll leave it at this for here for my part. As we both agree, I suspect, a for-real discussion of nuanced issues requires time to lay out presuppositions and how we intend words to be defined so we could take this to chat if you wish to discuss further.
 
DonRavioli said:
Well, I thought fort worth was the man's city and dallas was the metrosexual's city.

Not a dig on you, but that's what I genuinely heard it referred to as. Also visited both cities back in 2010 and it seemed appropriate.
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As of 2012 Ft. Worth US house rep is democrat.

My grandfather was born and raised in Ft. Worth. He'd roll over in his grave if knew parts of Texas have gone full lib.
 
Combat Diver said:
Not all protesters broke in. Saw a report last night that the capitol police were told to stand down that day. There are reports and videos where doors were opened and people allowed in.
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www.thegatewaypundit.com

It Was All a Set Up: Even NYT Admits Police Ordered to Stand Down on January 6th - Yet the DOJ and FBI Are Harassing and Indicting Innocent Americans Proving They are Corrupt | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft

The Capitol Police on January 6th were given orders to stand down. Pelosi refused Trump’s offer before that day for National Guard troops at the Capitol. Director Wray continues to lie and say there was no evidence of Antifa at the Capitol that day. Now the DOJ is indicting innocent Americans...
www.thegatewaypundit.com www.thegatewaypundit.com
 
Combat Diver said:
Not all protesters broke in. Saw a report last night that the capitol police were told to stand down that day. There are reports and videos where doors were opened and people allowed in.
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It was a perfectly timed set up to ensure there was no debate or investigation into election irregularities on the floor. Trump was still speaking when the group was let on to the property and into the Capitol building by the PD. And did anyone notice the BLM guy that was there was released quickly and quietly? Pretty slick. Have a group of BLM and Antifa types dress up as Trump supporters with hats and flags and get them to lead the way in. And unfortunately some fools followed. When there were lots of videos circulating you could hear people yelling ’he’s Antifa’ and imploring people to stop the plants from destroying property.
 
The shooter, DC Capitol Policeman, has been identified by the distinctive bracelet he wears. Same guy got shot returning fire on the Democrat who shot up Steve Scalise at the ball game. He is black, from North Carolina, and a BLM "soldier" based on his social pages. Forgot his name, but he should have been famous, or notorious, by now.
 
Relapse said:
The shooter, DC Capitol Policeman, has been identified by the distinctive bracelet he wears. Same guy got shot returning fire on the Democrat who shot up Steve Scalise at the ball game. He is black, from North Carolina, and a BLM "soldier" based on his social pages. Forgot his name, but he should have been famous, or notorious, by now.
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Is that a fact? Now that would be interesting.
 
Relapse said:
The shooter, DC Capitol Policeman, has been identified by the distinctive bracelet he wears. Same guy got shot returning fire on the Democrat who shot up Steve Scalise at the ball game. He is black, from North Carolina, and a BLM "soldier" based on his social pages. Forgot his name, but he should have been famous, or notorious, by now.
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If this is correct then it’s an even more complex set up. They even had BLM/Antifa types on the inside to inflict violence. Not just paid off patsies to allow thing to happen.

People need to get what’s coming to them. As Maximus would say, “now or in the next life.”
 
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Now imagine the following scenario If you will. IF this had been a white Capitol police agent with Sons of Confederate veterans stuff on his Facebook page and he had shot a black woman, Do you think he would have been allowed to keep his job?
 
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Radar said:
Now imagine filling you will IF this had been a white Capitol police agent with Sons of Confederate veterans stuff on his Facebook page. Do you think he would have been allowed to keep his job?
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No.

His trial would already be underway, or maybe even finished.

The media would’ve provided his identity and pics of his social media postings within a day.
 
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Seems like a great candidate for a PD. Guess it’s hard to find good help these days. Wonder if when they ran a background check they thought his online remarks were actually a positive instead of a negative.

If all this crap goes on long enough a lot of people are eventually going to be killed. This will be on you Justice Roberts and your shitty court.
 
"The lawyer for the family of Ashli Babbitt is planning to sue the U.S. Capitol Police and the unidentified officer who fatally shot her during the Jan. 6 riot in which she was killed.

Terry Roberts told Zenger News the Babbitt family will seek at least $10 million and will serve the Capitol Police within 10 days. Babbitt was shot through a window as she and a mob of supporters of then-President Trump tried to enter an area near the House floor and a barricaded door.

The Capitol Police did not immediately respond to a Fox News request for comment. "


https://www.foxnews.com/us/ashli-babbitt-lawsuit-capitol-police

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georgel said:

REDPILLED MEDIA EXCLUSIVE: US Capitol Special Agent David Bailey Who Murdered Ashli Babbitt is a Brazilian Immigrant and Black Lives Matter Militant — HE REPEATEDLY THREATENED TO KILL TRUMP SUPPORTERS ON FACEBOOK FOR MONTHS! (Exclusive Evidence)​

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Democrats at work. SNAFU as is normal for commies.
 
CZfool68 said:
If all this crap goes on long enough a lot of people are eventually going to be killed. This will be on you Justice Roberts and your shitty court.
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Dollars to donuts says someones got the good on him, and it’s likely proof that he visited Epstein’s Fantasy Island. I’ve read that there is record of a “John Roberts” attending in the logs.

It would explain A LOT.
 
noway2 said:
Dollars to donuts says someones got the good on him, and it’s likely proof that he visited Epstein’s Fantasy Island. I’ve read that there is record of a “John Roberts” attending in the logs.

It would explain A LOT.
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No doubt. Pretty sure I remember seeing the logs and seeing a John Roberts. But surely he was just being flown to a legal conference. And his adopted kids have nothing to do about nothing. 😏
 
Update on the lawsuits.


"Washington, DC – The family of Air Force veteran Ashli Babbitt has filed the first of two major lawsuits related to her shooting death by U.S. Capitol Police (USCP) on the day of the Capitol riot.

The civil lawsuit filed the first week of June in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia asked the court to force the DC Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) to turn over records of their investigation into Babbitt’s death, CNBC reported.

The lawsuit also called for MPD to reveal the identity of the Capitol police officer who shot Babbitt as she made her way through a window into the U.S. Capitol building on Jan. 6."


https://policetribune.com/ashli-bab...vestigation-name-of-capitol-cop-who-shot-her/

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So.

Who
Killed
Ashli
Babbitt?


The fact that question is not readily answerable only reinforces mistrust in government.
 
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its a shame when putin seems more interested in who killed her than our own media

townhall.com

Putin Asks Reporter If US 'Assassinated' Ashli Babbitt

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“Secondly, I want to ask you: Did you order the assassination of the woman who walked into the Congress and who was shot and killed by a policeman?” Putin said. “Do you know that 450 individuals were arrested after entering Congress? And they didn’t go there to steal a laptop. They came with political demands. 450 people have been detained. They’re facing jail time, from 15 to 20 years. And they came to Congress with political demands. Isn’t that persecution for political opinions?”
 
David Bailey? Why hasn't that allegation been repeated, refuted or denied? Very strange. All the video evidence of cops waving everyone in through unlocked doors? Who ordered and orchestrated that breach? Such convenient timing with the Senate debate that it conveniently ended. Banana Republic without the fruit.
 
The silence is deafening on this guy. Trump gives him a medal. Then he can't control his inner being? Very colorful individual. Bible quoting soul from the South? Seems a little like a shady coverup.
 
Well this is a new twist:

spectatorworld.com

Who killed Ashli Babbitt?

Cockburn’s sources tell him a member of VP Mike Pence’s protective detail may have been responsible for the shooting of Ashli Babbitt
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SCshooter57 said:
Well this is a new twist:

spectatorworld.com

Who killed Ashli Babbitt?

Cockburn’s sources tell him a member of VP Mike Pence’s protective detail may have been responsible for the shooting of Ashli Babbitt
spectatorworld.com spectatorworld.com
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Very interesting theory. I thought I saw a plain clothes officer with a gun on the other side and wondered about Capitol police having non-uniformed officers too.
Thing is, it's not really a mystery. They know who shot her.
 
georgel said:
Very interesting theory. I thought I saw a plain clothes officer with a gun on the other side and wondered about Capitol police having non-uniformed officers too.
Thing is, it's not really a mystery. They know who shot her.
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They know and by law under FOIA must release the information.
 
Walkabout Dan said:
They know and by law under FOIA must release the information.
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riiiight
they'll release some docs, heavily redacted, and say that anything more would jeopardize national security due to the fight against domestic terrorism from right wing extremist groups...
 
DrScaryGuy said:
riiiight
they'll release some docs, heavily redacted, and say that anything more would jeopardize national security due to the fight against domestic terrorism from right wing extremist groups...
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Very few have that national security exclusion and DC police does not have it. Once in the
courts it will come out.
 
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