Obi-Wan Kenobi

Catfish said:
I am 3 episodes in and I‘m just not buying Darth Tootie or the inquisitors. They’re like watching live action ninja turtles.
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Yeah Darth Wong gets all the best lines. Grunt. Whining that Darth Tootie isn't being a good Sith. More grunt.

I don't know why I expected anything better. I was just hoping they'd try not to ***k Ewan McGregor too hard. In vain apparently.
 
Episode V - while not without some flaws - has made Reva interesting finally! For the first time in the series I want to know what she's going to do next.

But why, when you're trying to flee for your lives, would you not have everyone loaded up and ready to go at the crucial moment? that was just duuumb!
 
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Everyone in this thread completely misunderstood the 3rd Sister. She was a youngling like I said all along. She had an agenda and a role to play which has yet to be played out.
 
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Catfish said:
I think at the end she saves Ben and dies.
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She is going to end up back on Tatooine. She knows who Owen is and has seen the Hologram about "the children" specifically the boy. Obi Wan senses that she knows. He has now linked himself to Reva and Vadar putting the young Skywalker in danger. I agree I think they will give her a redemptive ending.
 
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I have enjoyed it.

At first I did not like her (the actress's portrayal, not the character). But, she's grown on me.

I read an article about the production, they have two Darth Vaders, one for sword play and stunts, the other for walking (??) and 'other' scenes.
 
Chuckman said:
I have enjoyed it.

At first I did not like her (the actress's portrayal, not the character). But, she's grown on me.

I read an article about the production, they have two Darth Vaders, one for sword play and stunts, the other for walking (??) and 'other' scenes.
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I love it when she asks "do you want Anakin dead..," He pauses because he doesn't.

Tala is holding a thermal detonator.

Obiwan "There are other ways to fight....."

Anakin/Vader's Form V or Shien and Djem So fighting style and his mindset gets him in trouble again. "Until you overcome it a Padawan you will still be......."

Vader never even draws his own saber. Literally beats her with her own weapon.

Kenobi "Somethings Wrong...."

There are so many amazing hints in this episode that speak to the larger story. Kenobi reconnecting with the force. The realization that some Padawans might have survived order 66. It lays the ground work for why Grogu was saved. The underground Jedi railroad. I know so much of this is inside baseball but it is all there. F&F know what they are doing. They are creating and endless interconnected Star Wars universe which will be a cash cow for Disney.
 
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wvsig said:
I love it when she asks "do you want Anakin dead..," He pauses because he doesn't.

Tala is holding a thermal detonator.

Obiwan "There are other ways to fight....."

Anakin/Vader's Form V or Shien and Djem So fighting style and his mindset gets him in trouble again. "Until you overcome it a Padawan you will still be......."

Vader never even draws his own saber. Literally beats her with her own weapon.

Kenobi "Somethings Wrong...."

There are so many amazing hints in this episode that speak to the larger story. Kenobi reconnecting with the force. The realization that some Padawans might have survived order 66. It lays the ground work for why Grogu was saved. The underground Jedi railroad. I know so much of this is inside baseball but it is all there. F&F know what they are doing. They are creating and endless interconnected Star Wars universe which will be a cash cow for Disney.
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I was thinking how accommodating the survivors were to list their names so that the Empire would know the job wasn't finished.
 
I don't care about spoilers, they never inhibited my desire to see a TV show or a movie. So, I read a review today on the finale. The author said that not only is the finale the best episode of the series, it is probably the best part of the entire Star wars franchise. I look forward to seeing if it meets the standard.
 
Chuckman said:
I don't care about spoilers, they never inhibited my desire to see a TV show or a movie. So, I read a review today on the finale. The author said that not only is the finale the best episode of the series, it is probably the best part of the entire Star wars franchise. I look forward to seeing if it meets the standard.
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It wraps up the story fairly decently…but I’m not sure it makes the Top 5, or even Top 10.

Maybe if you only count entire movies/episodes?
 
Chdamn said:
I was bored to tears with the first episode. Then bored to tears with the second. Shut it off half way through.

I just can’t get into this.
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That was about the point it somewhat turned around…about 1.87 episodes in. 🤣
 
Chuckman said:
The author said that not only is the finale the best episode of the series, it is probably the best part of the entire Star wars franchise.
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It's good - very good - but that's overstating it.

It fills the gaps in the back story for Ep. IV nicely and really feels like closing a book at the end. I hope they do not do a season 2 as it would have to be all Disneyfied drech filler material. They did something right for once - let it be!
 
Chuckman said:
I don't care about spoilers, they never inhibited my desire to see a TV show or a movie. So, I read a review today on the finale. The author said that not only is the finale the best episode of the series, it is probably the best part of the entire Star wars franchise. I look forward to seeing if it meets the standard.
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No.
I'm with the Angry Joe show on this.
Obi-Wan parts = Amazing, some of the best.
Reva - could have been a good character, but they gave her no subtlety, and shoehorned her in, to try to force us to like her, so she can get a spin off. Even interrupting the amazing Obi-Wan parts.
Leia - the smartest kid in the universe.
Luke - The dumbest kid in the universe.

It was a good 'A' plot(Obi-Wan), ruined by a terrible 'B' plot(Reva).

3/10.


 
Ok yeah I forgot that stupid chase scene as soon as it was over. That was pretty bad.
 
Man I really think people want to hate on everything "new" Star Wars without really looking at it in context of the Star Wars universe. The ending IMHO was solid. It hit on so many plot points which continue on. There are just too many to mention. Some highlights the holster that Leia gets sans blaster. James Earl Jones voice switching back to Christensen literally demarking the man in the machine which will come out in Jedi. The idea that Obi Wan did not kill Anakin "I' Darth Vader killed Anakin from a certain point of view...

Watch the light while Vader and Obi Wan fight. The light the red and the blue... Obi Wan once again kicks Akakin/Vaders ass and leaves him screaming Obi Wan...... This is why in Star Wars The New Hope Vader says.... When we last met I was but a leaner now I am the Master. Up until now we all assumed that was referring to the crispy scene from Revenge of the Sith. Now we see he was bested at an even later date. A weak Obi Wan was still a master of the force who could command its power in a way Vader does not yet understand. He left him buried for dead instead Obi Wan rose to best him yet again even without the high ground. I love that Obi Wan is able to fully command the force. He completely overpowers Vader once he is tapped in. The lightsaber battle was as good as Star Wars gets.

Riva can't kill a youngling. They left it open as to which way her character is going to go. Also Aunt Beru is a bass ass. She had a safe room weapons stashed an in the heat of it was way better than Owen. She was ready for someone to come and take Luke. She was on point. Everyone Mother in the US should be taking notes. Put her money where her mouth was and defended her own.

Did anyone else notice Obi Wan still has the toy T-16? When he meets him the look is so part of the canons and then says "Hello there...." I also love that they laid the ground work for Leia reaching out to Obi Wan in a New Hope. She knew who he was and his importance. If anyone in her entire universe could be trusted with the plans of the Death Stars it would be Obi Wan who saved her as a child and gave her a glimpse of the force and its role for free people. This was a well done bridge between the prequels and the original trilogy. F&F are using non-cannon and other sources, Lucas, to fill in the gaps between the crappy prequels, Rouge One and the Originals.

I guess I don't understand all the hate. I think a lot of it comes from the the casual Star Wars fan who does not know anything outside the original trilogy and the prequels. A lot of the stuff Disney and F&F have created depends on some understanding of the rest of the Star Wars universe. Things like Rebels, Clone Wars and some of the non-canon novels.

In the end I think it was high quality I mean movie theatre level production that furthered the storyline in a positive way.
 
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I will do what I must… the you will die…

Nice subtle change.

The fighting styles stay the same. Obi Wan is defensive while Vader/Akanin is aggressive. Obi Wan’s face washed in blue light has he senses the upper hand and destroys Vader. These details are fantastic.

The red and blue light covering Vaders face as they talk. The light and the dark still fighting for Anakin’s soul.

A sense of duty, loyalty, love and compassion allow Obi Wan to muster the strength to defeat Vader.

if you ever need my help again you know where to find me….

Will I ever see you again.. only if you need help from a tired old man….

I was always here Obi Wan you were just not ready to see…

It is subtle in its storytelling while still being entertaining to the masses.
 
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wvsig said:
I guess I don't understand all the hate.
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its really pretty simple and boils down to just a few things - alot of it is just not that good and people are tired of the woke crap.

i loved the easter eggs in kenobi. ill prob go back and watch the whole series again, but the first two episodes of kenobi i thought it was more woke crap -men suck, women are smarter and just as tough as men, diversity for the sake of being woke instead of being coincidental etc. but it got better. but only because of vader and kenobi.

trust me - i WANT to love everything star wars but alot of what comes out anymore just sucks (and not just star wars, but alot of newer movs). they use the same formulas over and over, with too little creativity and too much reliance on tech instead of good acting, with characters that no one cares about. you have to think a character is cool, interesting, genuine, relatable....... something - or the viewer doesnt get emotionally invested in the movie.

episode 3 had one of most visually stunning duals ever with the highly anticipated revelation of how anakin became vader. it should have been one of the greatest cinematic moments ever. but they cast a pouty, monotone robot with the emotional depth of a pizza box. in that case it didnt completely ruin it, but only because they had 3 decades of fandom anxiously waiting for big reveal - and so they coasted in on the capes of one of the greatest villians of all time and that eased what otherwise was a very lackluster performance by hayden. people only cared about his character because they knew he would become vader - not because he sold it onscreen.. NOOOOOOOOO

likewise in kenobi - AWESOME backdrop - vader/empire hunting jedis and face off with kenobi. thats an incredible opportunity -what star wars fan wouldnt want to see that and explore that storyline further. but they focused on the diversity checkbox rather than getting someone who could actually play the part. the grand inquistor looked somewhat menacing, but reva looked like a stubborn little cosby show kid trying to convince her suburban upperclass community she was a hardcore gangster when everyone knows she isnt. she just isnt convincing and it comes off so fake that no one cares about the character. and of course you cant say anything about it or your racist. overall the series was redeemed by the vader/kenobi story, but again they coasted on the history of the franchise rather than creating some compelling storyline that could stand on its own.

riva hid in plain sight for years, killing innocents just like the empire/anakin did just to have a shot at vader because otherwise he might "see it coming" - like THATS believable? i mean i can suspend my disbelief to believe in the force, ligthabers and a galaxy far far away but thats just dumb.

and while not as woke as the rest of the disney catalog - you cant help but wonder if its intentional that leia is the smart, sassy, independent, offspring while luke looks mildly retarded and doesnt warrant a speaking role. (i mean it is kind of hollywoods MO any more to immasculate and villify strong males) i mean little leia is somewhat beleivable (although also somewhat annoying) but again - only because she is an established character.

i mean look at boba fett - as a yoot - he was the absolute shiznit and barely uttered 10 words. they took one of the coolest characters ever, and made a series about him where the coolest character in it was a ewhole other bounty hunter and the coolest scene was him riding a rancor.

the rise of skywalker? omg - that was just total crap. i really cant think of a single redeeming element from it. not one.

the force awakens got off to a reasonable start, then the next episode devolved into a tit-milking jedi master despite being capable of throwing a black hole at his adversaries

kylo ren - i mean driver was a little more convincing than christensen - but thats a really low bar.

carrie fisher (the woman who sent me into early puberty) - look yall im mary poppins??

finn - pretty good actor really - but what is he even there for past ep8?

rey - girl powerrrrrrrr! - cute, not the worst actor, but again - she just isnt believable.

rebellions are built on hope! - so lets go climb a tower full of server drives and limit one of the coolest characters ever(and coolest scene) to about 30 seconds and then end the movie. it even had donnie yen in it - and hes freakin awesome. what happened there.

and then kathleen kennedy has the gall to blame the disappointment on too much skywalker saga, racism/sexism and "star wars fatigue"? (like thats even possible)

its frustrating. i dont get my hopes up anymore on news of a new release -but i keep watching.
 
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I think the majority of the hate actually stems from George Lucas himself when he went about re-writing the established mythos with his stupid director's cut re-writes that fundamentally altered established characters.

And yes, I mean stupid antics like Han Solo not shooting first and inserting crappy CGI into so many scenes.

That kind of stuff sensitized and polarized a lot of fans.

Toss in stupid, immature characters like Jar-Jar and the animosity just gets worse.

I haven't yet watched these episodes yet, but I'm looking forward to it. Just from reading here, I get the feeling that a lot of damage control is in effect which looks to be straightening some of this stuff out.
 
Just because someone doesn’t enjoy the same things that you do doesn’t equate to hate. Not sure I understand that mindset.

I thought this particular show was boring as all get out and I stopped watching it. Doesn’t mean I think you’re boring for liking it.
 
smithnwesley said:
its really pretty simple and boils down to just a few things - alot of it is just not that good and people are tired of the woke crap.

i loved the easter eggs in kenobi. ill prob go back and watch the whole series again, but the first two episodes of kenobi i thought it was more woke crap -men suck, women are smarter and just as tough as men, diversity for the sake of being woke instead of being coincidental etc. but it got better. but only because of vader and kenobi.

trust me - i WANT to love everything star wars but alot of what comes out anymore just sucks (and not just star wars, but alot of newer movs). they use the same formulas over and over, with too little creativity and too much reliance on tech instead of good acting, with characters that no one cares about. you have to think a character is cool, interesting, genuine, relatable....... something - or the viewer doesnt get emotionally invested in the movie.

episode 3 had one of most visually stunning duals ever with the highly anticipated revelation of how anakin became vader. it should have been one of the greatest cinematic moments ever. but they cast a pouty, monotone robot with the emotional depth of a pizza box. in that case it didnt completely ruin it, but only because they had 3 decades of fandom anxiously waiting for big reveal - and so they coasted in on the capes of one of the greatest villians of all time and that eased what otherwise was a very lackluster performance by hayden. people only cared about his character because they knew he would become vader - not because he sold it onscreen.. NOOOOOOOOO

likewise in kenobi - AWESOME backdrop - vader/empire hunting jedis and face off with kenobi. thats an incredible opportunity -what star wars fan wouldnt want to see that and explore that storyline further. but they focused on the diversity checkbox rather than getting someone who could actually play the part. the grand inquistor looked somewhat menacing, but reva looked like a stubborn little cosby show kid trying to convince her suburban upperclass community she was a hardcore gangster when everyone knows she isnt. she just isnt convincing and it comes off so fake that no one cares about the character. and of course you cant say anything about it or your racist. overall the series was redeemed by the vader/kenobi story, but again they coasted on the history of the franchise rather than creating some compelling storyline that could stand on its own.

riva hid in plain sight for years, killing innocents just like the empire/anakin did just to have a shot at vader because otherwise he might "see it coming" - like THATS believable? i mean i can suspend my disbelief to believe in the force, ligthabers and a galaxy far far away but thats just dumb.

and while not as woke as the rest of the disney catalog - you cant help but wonder if its intentional that leia is the smart, sassy, independent, offspring while luke looks mildly retarded and doesnt warrant a speaking role. (i mean it is kind of hollywoods MO any more to immasculate and villify strong males) i mean little leia is somewhat beleivable (although also somewhat annoying) but again - only because she is an established character.

i mean look at boba fett - as a yoot - he was the absolute shiznit and barely uttered 10 words. they took one of the coolest characters ever, and made a series about him where the coolest character in it was a ewhole other bounty hunter and the coolest scene was him riding a rancor.

the rise of skywalker? omg - that was just total crap. i really cant think of a single redeeming element from it. not one.

the force awakens got off to a reasonable start, then the next episode devolved into a tit-milking jedi master despite being capable of throwing a black hole at his adversaries

kylo ren - i mean driver was a little more convincing than christensen - but thats a really low bar.

carrie fisher (the woman who sent me into early puberty) - look yall im mary poppins??

finn - pretty good actor really - but what is he even there for past ep8?

rey - girl powerrrrrrrr! - cute, not the worst actor, but again - she just isnt believable.

rebellions are built on hope! - so lets go climb a tower full of server drives and limit one of the coolest characters ever(and coolest scene) to about 30 seconds and then end the movie. it even had donnie yen in it - and hes freakin awesome. what happened there.

and then kathleen kennedy has the gall to blame the disappointment on too much skywalker saga, racism/sexism and "star wars fatigue"? (like thats even possible)

its frustrating. i dont get my hopes up anymore on news of a new release -but i keep watching.
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Literally the most snowflake post I have ever read on CFF.
 
Chdamn said:
Just because someone doesn’t enjoy the same things that you do doesn’t equate to hate. Not sure I understand that mindset.

I thought this particular show was boring as all get out and I stopped watching it. Doesn’t mean I think you’re boring for liking it.
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No issues with not liking something but hate for hates sake because you don’t like the idea that women can be more powerful and not every hero is a white male is kind of BS. Most of the criticism I see here is based on those premises. In the end Star Wars in its entirely is a story about the balance of good and evil within all of us. The balance between what we are and what we want to be. It is a classic western set in space. It is infinitely adaptable. What I see in so many of the comments here is people who cannot or are unwilling to adapt. We do not live in the 1970s when it was introduced. I find comments by @smithnwesley laughable. Watch the original. Even in 1977 Leia was 100000X more capable than Luke, Luke was a man so in that day he had to be the hero but watch the movie. She is the more mature and capable character. I guess they were woke in 1977.

You left in the middle but still want to say it sucks. That mentality makes no sense to me. I also see a lot of criticism from people who are causal Star Wars fans and do not see the blending of the story lines and the detail which went into making these new stories Canon. Like so many things people look at it through a tainted lens. I see amazing things moving a story forward. Others for some reason see a personal attack. YMMV
 
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