Shield: Unofficial BUG of CFF?

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Why does everyone choose or follow into the belief that a little pocket pistol is the answer to all your firearms problems. Sure they work just as any other tool would. I have a Shield its for sale btw, reason being I can conceal a Glock 22, 19/23, 26/27 just as easily as I can a shield. I don't deny it's a decent firearm and ALOT of them are being sold but, if your serious about concealed carrying then you should (I know there are exceptions) be able to dress around your compact and full size guns fairly easily. It takes practice and some trial and error to find what works.
 
Why does everyone choose or follow into the belief that a little pocket pistol is the answer to all your firearms problems. Sure they work just as any other tool would. I have a Shield its for sale btw, reason being I can conceal a Glock 22, 19/23, 26/27 just as easily as I can a shield. I don't deny it's a decent firearm and ALOT of them are being sold but, if your serious about concealed carrying then you should (I know there are exceptions) be able to dress around your compact and full size guns fairly easily. It takes practice and some trial and error to find what works.
Because carrying some kind of gun (usually smaller) ALL of the time is better than carrying a larger gun SOME, or even MOST of the time, which is what undoubtedly happens.

We have a saying down at H20 in Dunn when we have the BUG matches (back up gun). It's the match where people come to shoot the guns they actually carry daily.
 
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I like the Shield as a primary weapon. I have confidence in my ability to hit what I need with it and if the fight requires 50 rounds of ammo I'll just as soon stay out of it.

I traded my shield on a project car a few weeks ago and finally went out and replaced it yesterday. It's still too big for me to pocket carry though.
 
Because carrying some kind of gun (usually smaller) ALL of the time is better than carrying a larger gun SOME, or even MOST of the time, which is what undoubtedly happens.

We have a saying down at H20 in Dunn when we have the BUG matches (back up gun). It's the match where people come to shoot the guns they actually carry daily.

I get what your saying whole heartedly and I agree but, you can make it comfortable to wear a full size Glock 17/22, 19/23 or other common handgun if you have the right mentality about it. I am just as guilty as everyone else about carrying what is comfortable, and yes it's better to carry something than nothing but it's all a mental aspect of deciding what you will carry. I merely point out people start to settle on a smaller gun because it is smaller, when a bigger gun can be carried just as easily.
 
Why does everyone choose or follow into the belief that a little pocket pistol is the answer to all your firearms problems. Sure they work just as any other tool would. I have a Shield its for sale btw, reason being I can conceal a Glock 22, 19/23, 26/27 just as easily as I can a shield. I don't deny it's a decent firearm and ALOT of them are being sold but, if your serious about concealed carrying then you should (I know there are exceptions) be able to dress around your compact and full size guns fairly easily. It takes practice and some trial and error to find what works.

No possible way a G22 is "just as easy to conceal" as a Glock 42/43/Sheild.

Simple matter of physical dimensions (edit: and weight!!). Maybe you are a giant that wears very baggy clothes, but I am 6'-2" and about 200 with 36" waist and have a very difficult time concealing a full size pistol.

But I do think you are correct that you can dress around one. Some folks have to look professional or have clothing requirements/preferences and just can't hide a Glock 22 all the time. Personally, I have no interest in sporting baggy cargos and big shirts to hide a gun when I can wear fitted clothes and a bug gun.

If you are serious about concealed carry, learning to shoot really well under stress is going to be more effective than carrying a bigger gun and more ammo. Just my opinion!
 
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I get what your saying whole heartedly and I agree but, you can make it comfortable to wear a full size Glock 17/22, 19/23 or other common handgun if you have the right mentality about it. I am just as guilty as everyone else about carrying what is comfortable, and yes it's better to carry something than nothing but it's all a mental aspect of deciding what you will carry. I merely point out people start to settle on a smaller gun because it is smaller, when a bigger gun can be carried just as easily.

Most people here probably don't fall into the "settle" mentality. I won't doubt that it exists, but most real "gun people" get the concept of carrying a gun you can most effectively fight with.

Most of us, myself specifically, have a "best tool for the job". Usually it is a full sized or similar pistol. But there >are< times that I need deeper concealment. Speaking in front of crowds, at public functions, wearing an outfit that won't conceal a larger pistol, etc.

Also, this thread was about he BUG, which is back up gun. Meaning we understand that it isn't our primary carry pistol. It is just that, a back up.


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I agree your correct on size and such but I also disagree in the fact that I can conceal a Glock 22 just as easily as I can a shield based off of my clothing and my personal preferences. It's not that everyone can, and it's not to knock any one that chooses not to conceal and carry a big gun. As my only point was that you can do anything you want if you put your mind to it while some people do like skinny jeans and custom tight fitting clothes that limit their abilities to conceal a large forearm. That's their choice and it's nothing wrong with that. Personally I don't shoot the smaller guns as well and am comfortable carrying a bigger gun. Yes I am a giant but only in my belly Lol!! The rest of me is vertically challenged.
 
I get what your saying whole heartedly and I agree but, you can make it comfortable to wear a full size Glock 17/22, 19/23 or other common handgun if you have the right mentality about it. I am just as guilty as everyone else about carrying what is comfortable, and yes it's better to carry something than nothing but it's all a mental aspect of deciding what you will carry. I merely point out people start to settle on a smaller gun because it is smaller, when a bigger gun can be carried just as easily.
I'm 6'4" 220, and when I wear a larger gun I rattle though the doorways in my house (home office) banging the rear sight. I can't fit in the smallish chair in my MIL's "parlor" when I take her lunch several days a week with a larger gun, so as @NKD said, a larger, heavier gun is just that. Larger and heavier. When I used to carry a larger gun, I'd end up taking it off and laying it on my desk. If I was at the other end of the house and the door bell rang, I didn't really have time to traverse the house and "gun up". As it is now, I wear a gun if I have pants on. I am sitting right here, not planning to go anywhere till tomorrow, and have a 9mm on my hip, and an extra mag in my pocket. In my case, a G43. If it weren't that it would be a Shield with an Apex trigger. I am GTG. Don't need to have a larger gun on.
 
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Most people here probably don't fall into the "settle" mentality. I won't doubt that it exists, but most real "gun people" get the concept of carrying a gun you can most effectively fight with.

Most of us, myself specifically, have a "best tool for the job". Usually it is a full sized or similar pistol. But there >are< times that I need deeper concealment. Speaking in front of crowds, at public functions, wearing an outfit that won't conceal a larger pistol, etc.

Also, this thread was about he BUG, which is back up gun. Meaning we understand that it isn't our primary carry pistol. It is just that, a back up.


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I agree with what your saying and I concur, my deep concealment/ bug is a j frame because I can not put a shield or 43 in my pocket and utilize it in that role comfortably or quickly. My only point and my previous statements didn't relay it like I thought in typing it, was that some people take a smaller gun because it is a smaller gun, don't settle for it jist because you can carry it. Carry a gun you can shoot even if it is s bigger.
 
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I consider the Shield to be a fighting weapon. It handles well, I'm accurate with it, and since I have put time in it in practice and in competition...I can handle it as well as a G17; I have video to prove it. I don't consider it settling.
 
Side by side, I opted to pony up the cash on the Walther PPS M2 LE. It doesn't see much use anymore though. I am 5'8 160lb and can conceal my G19/23 with a fitted shirt. Just no point. If I need ultra concealable I use my LCP C. I do like the PPS M2 a lot though, shoot it better than my Glock. Prob the trigfer

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For my use guns like the shield/bodyguard/PF9 are too small for primary and too big for deep concealment or pocket carry. I have one bigger and one smaller in the EDC arsenal.
 
I agree with what your saying and I concur, my deep concealment/ bug is a j frame because I can not put a shield or 43 in my pocket and utilize it in that role comfortably or quickly. My only point and my previous statements didn't relay it like I thought in typing it, was that some people take a smaller gun because it is a smaller gun, don't settle for it jist because you can carry it. Carry a gun you can shoot even if it is s bigger.

Like @NKD I dress like a normal person. I don't wear moo moos or tent shaped pants/shirts. So a desert eagle isn't an option. I've gone to my 43 as my go-to EDC. It's every bit the fighting gun my 19/17 is. It shoots and handles like a full-size, not a mouse gun. Personally I think pocket carry is silly and if you can fit a 43 and holster in your pocket you need to learn what size pants you're supposed to be wearing. I wear mine strong side or appendix. It's WAYYYY easier to conceal and WAYYY more comfortable to carry all day. On top of that, I can shoot it. I shoot it at matches against full size guns and compete when I do.

I have a P32 in my cargo pocket while working. That's a BUG. I carry it for lack of options. It's marginally better than a sharp stick in most situations. My 43 is not a P32...
 
Yes for the Shield 9mm along with the Keltec PF9 and P3AT if I'm in shorts....
 
I had one and sold it to get the XDS 9mm, but after Springfield decided to go and lose their mind I will no longer be buying or owning any of their products.
 
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I want to say a few things I've learned about these Shield/Glock 43 sized guns, since I've shot so many matches with them. Running the little guns in matches was an experiment to see if they can hang with the big dogs if your life depended on it. In my experience they can provided that I adhered to some changes. I've got 8000 rounds thru my Shield, 6-7000 thousand thru my G26, 1000 thru a Kahr, and 2000 thru my Honor Defense, so my opinions come from my experience and YMMV. Accuracy is implied so I won't bother listing it.

1. Reliability. If I can't shoot 500 rounds of HP's consecutively, failure free through it, I don't carry it. I cast my own HPs just for this. I also load my own Gold Dots for testing. You can't find any Gold Dot projectiles anymore however. I found that different shooting positions in competition bring out the failures.

2. After reliability the most important thing is grip. This is huge. If that little bug moves around in your hand then you cannot depend on it. Shoot it at H20 in July and August, and the buckets of sweat you pour out will tell on a subpar grip. I can't express how important this is. Grip Tape is a temporary solution, especially the rubberized kind. Once the oils from your sweat cover it one time you'll need to replace it. A good stipple job is great. Some of the newer guns that have come out like the Shield in 45acp and the Honor Defense have great gripping surface. Bad grip leads to inaccurate shots.

3. Get rid of anything that clings to clothes. This could be a sharp pointed sight, or something similar; flashlight, laser. If it snags...dump it. Take grip tape off the ends of magazine baseplates. Talon grip tape has cutouts for some of the magazine baseplates like the Shield and such. Throw it in the trash. Anything grabby on the mag baseplates will mess you up. I've had matches where i had to roll the magazine out of my shirt because it got so contorted. Loading magazines is where you lose all your time, so get rid of all hindrances.

4. When you reload on any gun smaller than a compact, don't use the slide stop...overhand slingshot it. I don't know why, but all my reloading hangups, came from slide stop reloads. Once I went to slingshot only...all problems went away.

5. Trigger pull weight is a bigger issue with smaller guns, and with smaller guns that don't have a safety. This is opposite of what I used to think. I do not like safeties. But in my experience, any bug gun with a trigger pull under 6lbs is a bigger safety concern when holstering and unholstering ; especially from a seated position like in a car. YMMV, but for myself, I'm comfortable carrying a small gun without a safety only if the trigger is 6lbs and up. I prefer it right around 7lbs. But the trigger has to be smooth. If it is lower than 6lbs, then I want a safety for holsteting purposes. I firmly believe that it's easier to be safe with bigger guns. Anything the size if a G19 and up I don't have a problem with. And, I've noticed that I'm more accurate with bug guns if the trigger sits around 6-7lbs as opposed to a lighter one. I've got video, and it showed me that if the trigger was real light on the small gun, when I transitioned from target to target the first shot would fall out of the A zone/Down zero when I stepped on the gas peddle. The gun is so light I was overdriving it past the center; the lack of weight hindered me. Having a 6-7 lb trigger helped stop this as it forced me to be more diligent and less sloppy on my trigger pull.

Just my opinions.
 
I've owned two and liked them, but got rid of it. I'm not a fan of the internals. There's an M&P tampon in the trigger spring that isn't supposed to get wet (which turned me off to the design).
Gun runs perfectly fine without that part

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I've bought a couple of M&P LEO trade-ins, and they both have stock triggers as far as I can tell. No reset clicks and such. But the action is as smooth as well, cereal. When you know your gun, you'll know what to do when you need it. Of course, for a lot of people, the hard part is between the ears some keep telling me.
Most people I've encountered who really hate the M&P triggers are inefficient with the trigger manipulation. Most of issues are non issues when properly manipulated.

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(Wants to defend the shield for being great...realizes his has the apex trigger too...backs slowly away)


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Ha, that's me to a degree as I put Apex FSS in my full sized pistols and a spring kit in my Shield 9mm but my new Shield 45 will stay stock. It's GTG out the box. Most people don't like th crunchy take up which is caused by the trigger bar deactivating the FP Block. It should be a non issue since you should be shooting g from reset. Then others don't like the lack of positive/audible reset. That too should be a non issue since you shouldn't be feeling that or hearing that when shooting under pressure. All things that stand out when finger banging the pistol but not under pressure.

In the end its what works best for the individual. G43 is solid option but doesn't work for me as it has more felt recoil and the slide cuts my hand when it cycles.

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Ha, that's me to a degree as I put Apex FSS in my full sized pistols and a spring kit in my Shield 9mm but my new Shield 45 will stay stock. It's GTG out the box. Most people don't like th crunchy take up which is caused by the trigger bar deactivating the FP Block. It should be a non issue since you should be shooting g from reset. Then others don't like the lack of positive/audible reset. That too should be a non issue since you shouldn't be feeling that or hearing that when shooting under pressure. All things that stand out when finger banging the pistol but not under pressure.

In the end its what works best for the individual. G43 is solid option but doesn't work for me as it has more felt recoil and the slide cuts my hand when it cycles.

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I need to get an Honor Defense in your hands...similar to the Shield in profile, but built like a tank. The Shield Trigger has a better reset, but that grip texture on the Honor Defense is money.
 
I need to get an Honor Defense in your hands...similar to the Shield in profile, but built like a tank. The Shield Trigger has a better reset, but that grip texture on the Honor Defense is money.
The texture on the Shield 45 and new MP 2.0's is what they should have done from the beginning for all models.

Isn't that HG like a clone of the Shield?

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Come out to a match and get on the clock with all 3 options and I can bet which you'll shoot best/fastest with ;)
Yeah, but when times are measured with a sundial, does it matter? :oops:

And I'm just here for the CHP scoring...it just has to be in the silhouette.
 
I need to get an Honor Defense in your hands...similar to the Shield in profile, but built like a tank. The Shield Trigger has a better reset, but that grip texture on the Honor Defense is money.

Dammit, Mike. Now I have to have an Honor Defense? You and Ash are costing me serious money.
 
The texture on the Shield 45 and new MP 2.0's is what they should have done from the beginning for all models.

Isn't that HG like a clone of the Shield?

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The profile is very close to a Shield, and that magazines are identical except for the cutout, but they are very different. The HD is built to withstand exclusively +p ammo, so it is beefier. Its modular like a Sig p320...they even have a long slide version...almost as long as a compact. The rear sight is recessed, not snagging on the draw. Has a heavier trigger than the Shield, but the pull is crisp and smooth with zero overtravel. Shield has it best on the reset. The trigger is curved eith a smooth flat face. And it weights a little more than the Shield...easier to control. Almost forgot it takes G43 sights. Plus if you message them on Facebook, they will talk to you.
 
I'm bringing mine to H20 if you want to check it out.
He is going to bitch and complain about it the whole day because he will buy one just to add to his menagerie in his sock drawer unless I can execute a successful intervention.
 
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He is going to bitch and complain about it the whole day because he will buy one just to add to his menagerie in his sock drawer unless I can execute a successful intervention.
The long slide version is a sweet shooter. I'll bring that and it'll sell itself.20170105_092815-800x600.jpg
 
dang this thing is ambi?

I've never even heard of it but it looks dang fine.
Yes...ambi mag release. The slide stop is recessed into the frame...really difficult to use. That part I like because I had a habit of riding it on the little guns.
 
What do the Heritage Defenses start at? I have never seen one yet but have heard of them and it looks like a nice gun.
 
What do the Heritage Defenses start at? I have never seen one yet but have heard of them and it looks like a nice gun.
Honor Defense is the company name...Honor Guard is the name of the gun. I got mine for 419.00, but you can get it cheaper than that if you search hard. Basically in between a Shield and a G43.
 
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Honor Defense is the company name...Honor Guard is the name of the company. I got mine for 419.00, but you can get it cheaper than that if you search hard. Basically in between a Shield and a G43.
Curious if you've handled a PPS M2 and how you would compare it. - I felt the PPS M2 was just a better built and feeling gun than the Shield so I opted for that. I like the ambi controls of the Honor Guard.
 
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