Wake Forest PD stop

noway2 said:
I believe it. The problem on many levels is the politicians and other functionaries above the beat cop. It’s the institution much more than the individual.
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That is the heart of it. Our cities and towns are just little mirror images of DC. Grow the public sector, increase revenues and damn the citizen. Just as public schools are not about education anymore, PD's aren't about protecting the citizens. Individual teachers and officers may have that in their hearts, but the public sector institutions are all about bigger budgets, more staff, and more power. And in some places pensions.
 
J R Green said:
Trying to wrap my head around why they need to die? I understand that inevitably some will die in the course of their duty but why have you decreed that they "need" to?
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IMO he is just stating a fact. Very coldly. If you have 600,000 people sworn with apprehending criminals and enforcing laws a certain % of them will in fact die. It's just math. Same way if you have millions of cars on the roads a certain amount of those drivers will die in accidents. Reduce the cars, reduce the deaths. If you want less deaths just have less officers and less interactions with the public. Now 'need' was a poor choice of words though.
 
Cowboy said:
Yeah the clear cover isn't allowed according statute posted by @J R Green
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Wasn't that statute a result of the red light cameras?
Aren't those cameras gone now? I don't recall seeing any around the Fayetteville area, at least where I remember some being located.

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Oneofsix said:
Wasn't that statute a result of the red light cameras?
Aren't those cameras gone now? I don't recall seeing any around the Fayetteville area, at least where I remember some being located.

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I do think the cameras are gone for now. I would look for a try at them coming back soon, I think Charlotte has already been talking about it. But that said just because the cameras are gone doesn't mean the statute is gone. I think you are likely not to get a ticket for the stop but it would still make it a valid stop at anytime if you have one.
 
Oneofsix said:
Wasn't that statute a result of the red light cameras?
Aren't those cameras gone now? I don't recall seeing any around the Fayetteville area, at least where I remember some being located.

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More about being able to read the tags and the state that they originate from. Even clear covers make tags hard to read from a distance. Tag frames cover the state of origin. Remember the whole purpose of the tag is to identify that vehicle.
 
NCFubar said:
I would like to suggest that anyone with an NC CHP or SC CWP should have the wallet easily available while in the vehicle. If stopped if you can before the LEO even gets out of his vehicle have your window down with your left hand out the window w/ you DL & your CHP(CWP) and have your right hand on the steering wheel at 12 o’clock. It’s an easier and quick way to notify of your CHP(CWP) and then let the LEO lead from there. Honestly you’re not going to talk your way out of a ticket 99% of the time but you sure can talk yourself into one real quick ... just because they are a dick doesn’t mean you being one is in your best interest.
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You start all this squirming around screwing with a wallet and he'll most likely have the gun IN his hand instead of just on the butt. Keep your hands in plain sight and things will go smoothly. No one is in a rush here, take your time..... BTW, just inform at the first opportunity and then STFU, if he/she wants to actually see the permit they'll ask, don't complicate things.

Bear in mind that you are not required to answer any question not germane to the stop or the reason for the stop. Where your kids go to school is not pertinent nor is where are you carrying. You have fulfilled the letter of the law by informing him that you have a concealed weapon, stop while you're ahead and have him continue the dialogue. And before anyone gets their panties in a wad, YES, I do that. If they ask a question that has nothing to do with the stop I politely tell them that I have no responsibility to answer that question.
 
J R Green said:
More about being able to read the tags and the state that they originate from. Even clear covers make tags hard to read from a distance. Tag frames cover the state of origin. Remember the whole purpose of the tag is to identify that vehicle.
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Mine is in the trash - now that I know. I think if stores would not sell them, this would be less of an issue.
 
Armed4defense said:
Tag was not obstructed -perfectly readable -entire tag
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Haven’t read the entire thread so my apologies if this has already been stated, but I’m pretty sure any license plate frame or cover is technically illegal as they can all obstruct the plate to some degree. Whether they DO obstruct the tag is irrelevant, they’re still not permitted.

N/m I see it was just posted minutes ago.
 
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Cowboy said:
I do think the cameras are gone for now. I would look for a try at them coming back soon, I think Charlotte has already been talking about it. But that said just because the cameras are gone doesn't mean the statute is gone. I think you are likely not to get a ticket for the stop but it would still make it a valid stop at anytime if you have one.
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Automated Revenue extortion and collection, er I mean public safety devices and license plate cover violations. Exact, what I want my stolen, I mean tax, monies going to funding. Not. o_O
 
Armed4defense said:
Mine is in the trash - now that I know. I think if stores would not sell them, this would be less of an issue.
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This has been the law for more than 9 years.
 
Armed4defense said:
I would post a pic but since I cant use dropbox anymore -dont know how -just a clear cover nothing around the border.
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So it's clear, over the entirety of the plate? If so, there is an ordinance that gives LEO's the opportunity to dig from there. Not sure if yours is one that also doubles as the type that blocks photography as well.
 
I believe the original intent was to aid in generating revenue for tolls and to give LEO's a way in to find more "taxable" offenses.
 
Grim said:
So it's clear, over the entirety of the plate? If so, there is an ordinance that gives LEO's the opportunity to dig from there. Not sure if yours is one that also doubles as the type that blocks photography as well.
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Makes me think there is a need for a clear protective film that you can put over the plate that doesn't look like a cover (i.e. is invisible) that filters the frequencies of the cameras sufficiently to block them.
 
J R Green said:
Yes, your disgusting use of the word "need" indicates your desire for cops to die for you to feel appeased.

Construction workers die every year building bridges and skyscrapers but you wouldn't say they needed to die to get the job done.
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I think you are misunderstanding the intention here, either on purpose to stir a pot of some kind or you’re just missing it.
 
Tailhunter said:
I think you are misunderstanding the intention here, either on purpose to stir a pot of some kind or you’re just missing it.
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I don't think he is doing either. When you look at the body of some peoples ignorant post of hate filled crap you come to understand were they are really coming from.
 
Ikarus1 said:
yep. I bet their chances of dying in a wreck is way higher now that they're a protected class allowed to have a computer at their fingertips while driving.

Kinda like those seatbelts are optional on a schoolbus. Stuff that will never make sense under a government no longer for the people by the people.
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Every department I know of has policy against using the computer while driving. Same for texting. Do they all do it? Yes. They need to put two officers in a car, one to drive and one for comms. But, most taxpayers don't want to pay for that. Also, eveyoeve complains about response time. Just imagine how much worse that would get if officers actually stopped everytime they needed to use the computer for info on the call they are headed to.
 
Bailey Boat said:
You start all this squirming around screwing with a wallet and he'll most likely have the gun IN his hand instead of just on the butt. Keep your hands in plain sight and things will go smoothly. No one is in a rush here, take your time..... BTW, just inform at the first opportunity and then STFU, if he/she wants to actually see the permit they'll ask, don't complicate things.
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Bailey, in my post I said “I would like to suggest that anyone with an NC CHP or SC CWP should have the wallet easily available while in the vehicle.” By that I mean on your console or such not in your pocket or place where you do have to squirm, reach, etc. My credentials ride in a slot on the console and my DL & CHP are pulled out of the same holder ... I can have mine in hand in 5 or so seconds.

A part of the reason for doing it this way is you do not have to say gun, firearm, armed, etc to the LEO before he sees your CHP. There are a couple more reasons but they are more older LEO’s thinking but still some today some still go with it.
 
NCFubar said:
Bailey, in my post I said “I would like to suggest that anyone with an NC CHP or SC CWP should have the wallet easily available while in the vehicle.” By that I mean on your console or such not in your pocket or place where you do have to squirm, reach, etc. My credentials ride in a slot on the console and my DL & CHP are pulled out of the same holder ... I can have mine in hand in 5 or so seconds.

A part of the reason for doing it this way is you do not have to say gun, firearm, armed, etc to the LEO before he sees your CHP. There are a couple more reasons but they are more older LEO’s thinking but still some today some still go with it.
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If I am going to work, my wallet is in my bag, in the back. If I am going to workout, my wallet is in my bag, in the back. Otherwise it's on my person. I figure if I get pulled over in either of those scenarios, we'll just deal with it then. I can't be the first or only person to not carry creds on their person, so I imagine there's some precedent.

Edited to add, not that the method which you describe isn't best practice; it's really quite good. Just isn't how I do it.
 
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NCFubar said:
A part of the reason for doing it this way is you do not have to say gun, firearm, armed, etc to the LEO before he sees your CHP. There are a couple more reasons but they are more older LEO’s thinking but still some today some still go with it.
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If I recall, simply handing a permit without verbally informing, which is how I read your post, does not meet the required definition of notifying. It's been a while, but I recall from several years ago this being a hot topic.
 
J R Green said:
Trying to wrap my head around why they need to die? I understand that inevitably some will die in the course of their duty but why have you decreed that they "need" to?
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You'd be wasting your time trying to figure out why he said that. His blatant hate for police has been shown in many other threads anyway related to LEO's. I've given up responding to his anti LEO rhetoric after a few go rounds with him.
 
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In this context, how, then, do folks parse:

let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it's natural manure. Letter of T. Jefferson to W. Smith, 13NOV 1787.

Must vs. need? Must needs? Patriots must die, patriots need to die.

On to a less controversial topic, I was entirely destroyed by the no LP frame statute. I have a classic Ramones: Gabba Gabba Hey one that I removed due to my weakness before the power of the State :mad:. First World problem, understood. :(
 
If cops have the time to pull me over because of the size of the license plate frame, I've got all the time in the world.
 
SPST said:
Every department I know of has policy against using the computer while driving. Same for texting. Do they all do it? Yes. They need to put two officers in a car, one to drive and one for comms. But, most taxpayers don't want to pay for that. Also, eveyoeve complains about response time. Just imagine how much worse that would get if officers actually stopped everytime they needed to use the computer for info on the call they are headed to.
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So we accept two sets of rules?

Ummm... no.
 
SPST said:
No, they get in trouble if caught just like us. The officers are breaking rules just like drivers are doing when texting. It's just that both are ignored.
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Get caught by whom? Another officer?

Riiiight...

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SPST said:
You could always ride around and film one doing it and take your video to the Chief.
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That is generally the only way troopers prove it in court as well. Apparently ever now and then they take a Tractor trailer out and film people then have a third trooper pull them over. I've never actually seen it but have heard of them doing it. Most of those charges are extremely hard to prove without more proof.
 
SPST said:
You could always ride around and film one doing it and take your video to the Chief.
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Bullshit-
Your argument is fallacious.

And so is @Cowboy s ...that might be how it's done but they aren't going to do it to each other.


Serpico...

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Most state patrol vehicles have the capability to reverse the in car dash cam and observe the driver. They are also equipped with "real time" GPS and know when the trooper is broadcasting with his/her computer. So yes, it's done and ignored.....
 
whether it's a good idea or not state law has an exemption for emergency vehicles texting and typing.
Exceptions. - The provisions of this section shall not apply to:


(2) Any of the following while in the performance of their official duties: a law enforcement officer; a member of a fire department; or the operator of a public or private ambulance.
 
Jim1392 said:
You'd be wasting your time trying to figure out why he said that. His blatant hate for police has been shown in many other threads anyway related to LEO's. I've given up responding to his anti LEO rhetoric after a few go rounds with him.
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I do not hate the police, I do not want to see cops dead. Given a choice between a cop dying or a citizen dying, the cops should die protecting the citizen. I can be very critical of the police at times.
 
J R Green said:
whether it's a good idea or not state law has an exemption for emergency vehicles texting and typing.
Exceptions. - The provisions of this section shall not apply to:


(2) Any of the following while in the performance of their official duties: a law enforcement officer; a member of a fire department; or the operator of a public or private ambulance.
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So, the govt. goons exempt themselves from what they want to subject us to and you wonder why some of us have disdain rather than respect for them.
 
J R Green said:
whether it's a good idea or not state law has an exemption for emergency vehicles texting and typing.
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Why of COURSE they do!

Two sets of rules.
 
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noway2 said:
So, the govt. goons exempt themselves from what they want to subject us to and you wonder why some of us have disdain rather than respect for them.
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Why are you asking me, I'm just showing what the law says. I guess the legislators decided some communications are more important than your booty call.

Do you begrudge EMS and Fire the same privilege?
 
J R Green said:
Why are you asking me, I'm just showing what the law says. I guess the legislators decided some communications are more important than your booty call.
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I'm sure those stupid "legislators" had a morning meeting like everyone else. Just goes to show how ridiculous it is that their opinion carried any more weight. I would be willing to bet that the research would show there is far more booty calling and porn watching on their car PCs than I've ever engaged in.

Do you begrudge EMS and Fire the same privilege?
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I oppose ALL special "privilege" for govt agents.
 
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