I'm kinda feeling this way myself. At least with a binary trigger each "single function of the trigger" is a deliberate action and IMO satisfies the technical aspects of the law as written. Not so with these forced reset jobs, or even bump stocks. I'm afraid when they go after these that binary triggers will be included because they pretty much do whatever they want once they turn their attention to something. Or maybe the opposite will happen, they'll focus on these and binary triggers will slip by unscathed. Unlikely, but I can hope.The more I think about it, if they’re gonna make this a MG and if I’m willing to risk having an unregistered MG, then I should just make or acquire an unregistered MG and skip the games. FWIW, it’s not worth the risk to me.
They killed bump stocks, and there were hundreds of thousands of those. They are after braces and there are millions of those. They’ll kill these forced reset triggers off easy if they want, there are maybe thousands of them in the wild.
I missed it, how is this different than a binary trigger?I'm kinda feeling this way myself. At least with a binary trigger each "single function of the trigger" is a deliberate action and IMO satisfies the technical aspects of the law as written. Not so with these forced reset jobs, or even bump stocks. I'm afraid when they go after these that binary triggers will be included because they pretty much do whatever they want once they turn their attention to something. Or maybe the opposite will happen, they'll focus on these and binary triggers will slip by unscathed. Unlikely, but I can hope.
The crow flies at midnightMake sure to order extra and put a few under the table for double secret CFF purchasers with the right password.
It’s a forced (or hard) reset trigger. Here’s an animation of the FRT-15, which is similar.I missed it, how is this different than a binary trigger?
These push your finger back out to the reset point, so just maintaining constant pressure with your finger (a single deliberate action) causes the gun to continue to cycle. Not unlike a bumpstock which requires constant forward pressure on the gun. Once you apply the pressure you are just along for the ride.I missed it, how is this different than a binary trigger?
The chair is against the wall…… John has a long mustache…Make sure to order extra and put a few under the table for double secret CFF purchasers with the right password.
They have a two position trigger. Safe and semi, which is always force resetI haven’t seen a mention, does the WOT use/have a three position safety?
I’m not interested in a full time rapid fire trigger.
A company that would make a three position where you can turn the force reset off would make a mint.They have a two position trigger. Safe and semi, which is always force reset
IndeedA company that would make a three position where you can turn the force rest off would make a mint.
Why specifically is it a don’t buy?You absolutely shouldn’t buy these.
rare breed is actually going up against the atf and Big daddy unlimited ripped off their product and stated that don’t have enough funds to fight two lawsuits.
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I saw this. The design is close, but the forced reset is a different angle and uses a plunger to keep it from binding and causing spring issues. Rare Breed won’t fix the spring issue (for the long run), I have spoken with Lawrence on a few occasions. His design was from one created a few years before by a different gentleman. I honestly would recommend people not get either one if that were the case. I think they will all be outlawed before long. Because the RareBreed design will not last without replacing the spring for the reset after time. My buddy who built the rare breed at the same time as me, has replaced the spring twice. Lawrence offered to repair his for $40 plus shipping. He used a spring from a pen that was cut to fit.You absolutely shouldn’t buy these.
rare breed is actually going up against the atf and Big daddy unlimited ripped off their product and stated that don’t have enough funds to fight two lawsuits.
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They killed bump stocks, and there were hundreds of thousands of those. They are after braces and there are millions of those. They’ll kill these forced reset triggers off easy if they want, there are maybe thousands of them in the wild.
I'm kinda feeling this way myself. At least with a binary trigger each "single function of the trigger" is a deliberate action and IMO satisfies the technical aspects of the law as written. Not so with these forced reset jobs, or even bump stocks.
They are located 15 minutes SW of Austin … 30 minutes N of New Braunfels.
Hmmmm … does anyone go to New Braunfels we know who could be trusted with cash?
There's a good chance that I will be driving to Austin and back in the next few months. I don't have a date nailed down yet though. I'll chime in again before I go.
No, it isn’t for sale to the public. Graves patented the design and sold limited rights to Wolf Tactical and Alamo triggers. The Graves design is the one I would like to have. It is the only one that runs subs in 300 blackout.As a reminder, bump stocks have NOT been 'killed' and are quite legal. The only people who got killed were those who complied with a ban that clearly violated the Takings clause of the 5th Amendment, which reads “Nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.” (As a reminder, the bump stock ban made possession of one's legally-obtained personal property illegal while requiring that said legally-obtained personal property be destroyed or surrendered for destruction -- without offering any compensation ... let alone just compensation. That, folks, is what's known as a regulatory taking ... since it rendered one's property useless/value-less.)
It doesn't look like Recoil Technology Systems is actually selling the Graves unit, yet...
I can understand why you would want to support rare breed, but I’ve heard of enough issues with them to be hesitant. Hoping the WOT addresses these issues. Disclaimer, I haven’t seen any in person, im just going off of YouTube channels that have discussed their issues.You absolutely shouldn’t buy these.
rare breed is actually going up against the atf and Big daddy unlimited ripped off their product and stated that don’t have enough funds to fight two lawsuits.
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No, it isn’t for sale to the public. Graves patented the design and sold limited rights to Wolf Tactical and Alamo triggers. The Graves design is the one I would like to have. It is the only one that runs subs in 300 blackout.
cant hide moneyany idea if the WOT will run 300 blk yet? Im eagerly waiting more reviews, as 300 blk subs are what i prefer to run. Also i haven’t seen a release date on on the graves trigger yet. The design does look promising though from what i can tell in whisper tactical’s video
I have not tried but I seriously doubt it will. It would definitely take some fine-tuning with a buffer system.any idea if the WOT will run 300 blk yet? Im eagerly waiting more reviews, as 300 blk subs are what i prefer to run. Also i haven’t seen a release date on on the graves trigger yet. The design does look promising though from what i can tell in whisper tactical’s video
“I dont always shoot 300 blk, but when i do….. “ haha.cant hide money
Who can afford to run any type of trigger that adds speed to shooting 300blk
Why specifically is it a don’t buy?
- They’ll be out of business quickly
- The alphabet soup will declare them a MG?
- sumpthin’ else?
I frequently see the login page link when folks post a gram.
Thomas Graves came up with a design for a force reset trigger some years back not Rare Breed (a kinda sorta sister company of Spikes Tactical). Graves has been associated with at least 2 other companies besides Rare Breed. In addition he is possibly offering a version under his own label “Graves Star-Fire” … if the ATF doesn’t shut down the design for being a “machine gun” like they did bumpstocks. I don’t believe WOT stole Rare Breed’s design since they actually didn’t come up with it either.Why not buy? How about fair play, not stealing other's designs? How about supporting the innovator- who at the same time did a big FU to the ATF? I'm pretty sure all the profit RBT makes will go towards their lawsuits. Meanwhile BDU is just a hypocrite by being an RBT distributor and then pulling the rug out from under them. They won't get any business from me. I'm sure WOT will lose the patent case but it distracts from the bigger case stopping the ATF making felons out of non-criminals. And besides, the WOT trigger looks like it was made in someone's basement.
Ok, yeah they’re pretty much the same. One is skeletonized, that’s all. However, given the function, how much variation can there be while still being a forced reset and working in an AR? Unless RB is saying they own the rights to forced reset.
I believe that’s what he said in the video. And not just for the AR platform. AK and others included.Unless RB is saying they own the rights to forced reset.
Guess it would help if I watched the video hahaI believe that’s what he said in the video. And not just for the AR platform. AK and others included.
IF the BCG is compatible you might have to play with buffers and springs. Do you have an adjustable gas block on the AR57? I’m guessing you run it suppressed? With your experience playing with stuff if anyone could it would be you.Late night shower thoughts…as I ponder what hosts I’d like to try one of these in. Wondering if it would work with my AR57 upper. I tried putting it on a full auto lower, and no luck. Turns out they want a couple hundred bucks for a full auto BCG, which they will only sell to a SOT (or maybe any FFL) last time I checked. Can’t remember what the BCG I have even looks like…but with the hard/forced reset trigger operating differently than an actual FA lower, maybe it’ll work with current setup?
Rare Breed has a patent on the design, and have already sued WOT.Thomas Graves came up with a design for a force reset trigger some years back not Rare Breed (a kinda sorta sister company of Spikes Tactical). Graves has been associated with at least 2 other companies besides Rare Breed. In addition he is possibly offering a version under his own label “Graves Star-Fire” … if the ATF doesn’t shut down the design for being a “machine gun” like they did bumpstocks. I don’t believe WOT stole Rare Breed’s design since they actually didn’t come up with it either.
As to buying one over the other … quite a few people have said Rare Breed has a few shortcomings that WOT seems to have addressed. As to the look … it’s a tool and looks are secondary to function for that … and even then 90% of the trigger pack won’t be seen.
Ok, yeah they’re pretty much the same. One is skeletonized, that’s all. However, given the function, how much variation can there be while still being a forced reset and working in an AR? Unless RB is saying they own the rights to forced reset.
Rare Breed was assigned the patent from the inventor Thomas Graves … it may or may not have been an exclusive agreement. In fact Mr Graves and another company are working on another updated version called the Graves Star-Fire which is coming out soon (unless they hold off due to the ATF action) so apparently Mr Graves did not relinquish all control to Rarebreed …Rare Breed has a patent on the design, and have already sued WOT.