You can mail guns (USPS regs inside)

[dmarbell]

There is a bunch of misinformation here in my opinion. Anyone can mail a long gun across state lines as long as it goes to an FFL in the receiving state. This is through the USPS. Handguns cannot be mailed except by FFLs. A P320 frame, without the serialized Fire Control Unit, can be mailed or shipped via UPS or FedEx. Those parts are not firearms.

Here is a blurb from the ATF website:

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?​

A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another state. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of their own state or to a licensee in any state.
The U.S. Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.
Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.
[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A); 27 CFR 478.31]

 

[wired]

There is a bunch of misinformation here in my opinion. Anyone can mail a long gun across state lines as long as it goes to an FFL in the receiving state. This is through the USPS. Handguns cannot be mailed except by FFLs. A P320 frame, without the serialized Fire Control Unit, can be mailed or shipped via UPS or FedEx. Those parts are not firearms.

Here is a blurb from the ATF website:

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?​

A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another state. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of their own state or to a licensee in any state.
The U.S. Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.
Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.
[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A); 27 CFR 478.31]

What misinformation. The P320 frame is the fire control group. The grip module is not the frame

 

[dmarbell]

What misinformation. The P320 frame is the fire control group. The grip module is not the frame

I think we are having trouble with semantics. A P320 has a grip module and a fire control unit. The grip module would be equivalent to a frame, if the gun had one. The serialized part, or the firearm, is the FCU. Even on the Sig Sauer site there are discussions about whether P320 Legions are "steel frame" guns. The only part of a P320 you can't send through the mail is the FCU.

 

[wired]

I think we are having trouble with semantics. A P320 has a grip module and a fire control unit. The grip module would be equivalent to a frame, if the gun had one. The serialized part, or the firearm, is the FCU. Even on the Sig Sauer site there are discussions about whether P320 Legions are "steel frame" guns. The only part of a P320 you can't send through the mail is the FCU.

The grip module is not equivalent to a frame. The grip module is just a grip module . The FCG for ATF purposes is the frame. If I fill out a 4473 for a P320 FCG its for a frame. No one cares about the grip module

 

[dmarbell]

The grip module is not equivalent to a frame. The grip module is just a grip module . The FCG for ATF purposes is the frame. If I fill out a 4473 for a P320 FCG its for a frame. No one cares about the grip module

I stand corrected, as my nomenclature is not correct. Here is the definition of a handgun frame from the ATF website. A Sig P320 FCU is the "frame" of the gun. I was mistakenly calling the grip module a frame. I still stand by my comment that if you field stripped a P320 and then removed the FCU, all but the FCU could be sent through the mail. My "misinformation" comment was regarding not being able to mail a firearm, including a long gun.

§ 478.12 Definition of Frame or Receiver.​

1. 
   a.Except as otherwise provided in this section, the term “frame or receiver” means the following—
   1. 
      1.The term “frame” means the part of a handgun, or variants thereof, that provides housing or a structure for the component (i.e., sear or equivalent) designed to hold back the hammer, striker, bolt, or similar primary energized component prior to initiation of the firing sequence, even if pins or other attachments are required to connect such component (i.e., sear or equivalent) to the housing or structure.

 

[wired]

I stand corrected, as my nomenclature is not correct. Here is the definition of a handgun frame from the ATF website. A Sig P320 FCU is the "frame" of the gun. I was mistakenly calling the grip module a frame. I still stand by my comment that if you field stripped a P320 and then removed the FCU, all but the FCU could be sent through the mail. My "misinformation" comment was regarding not being able to mail a firearm, including a long gun.

§ 478.12 Definition of Frame or Receiver.​

1. 
   a.Except as otherwise provided in this section, the term “frame or receiver” means the following—
   1. 
      1.The term “frame” means the part of a handgun, or variants thereof, that provides housing or a structure for the component (i.e., sear or equivalent) designed to hold back the hammer, striker, bolt, or similar primary energized component prior to initiation of the firing sequence, even if pins or other attachments are required to connect such component (i.e., sear or equivalent) to the housing or structure.

The rest of the gun are just parts. No different than mailing a AR upper receiver. Non regulated.

 

[virginia_slimjim]

wait so theres a workaround? Mail gets stolen a lot too tho bear in mind. Mail carriers have become like clever organized little thieves, a lot of them. The return address would have to look super general and not like "Dans Guns" lol

 

[wired]

wait so theres a workaround? Mail gets stolen a lot too tho bear in mind. Mail carriers have become like clever organized little thieves, a lot of them. The return address would have to look super general and not like "Dans Guns" lol

Over 25 yeas of being involved in one gun business or another Ive never had anything stolen out of the mail and a ot of it has to do with just that. I never use "my gun shop" or "Fairly Honest Dons Machinegun Parlour" ( actual name of a gun shop ) or anything to suggest firearms int he name. Trick is insurance. It doesn't have to be insured full value but if its insured it has to be hand logged at each step. Makes stealing it more difficult.

 

[Ncvarmint]

Whats the rules for mailing a stripped lower to a member on here? Been years since i have shipped a gun.
Thanks

 

[wired]

Whats the rules for mailing a stripped lower to a member on here? Been years since i have shipped a gun.
ThanksFor all legal purposes stripped lowers sh

For all egal purposes stripped lowers should be considered pistols. They are only transferrable between private parties in state and they cannot be mailed by non licensees.

It's good to know the law so you can know when you're breaking it sometimes.

 

[Slacker]

For all egal purposes stripped lowers should be considered pistols. They are only transferrable between private parties in state and they cannot be mailed by non licensees.

It's good to know the law so you can know when you're breaking it sometimes.

Maybe stick a cheap stock on it for mailing purposes. I think a stock technically makes it into a rifle correct?

 

[wired]

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Maybe stick a cheap stock on it for mailing purposes. I think a stock technically makes it into a rifle correct?

Rifles have barrels and stocks

 

[BigWaylon]

Maybe stick a cheap stock on it for mailing purposes. I think a stock technically makes it into a rifle correct?

As wired said, a rifle has to have a barrel.

Same reason if you get an approved Form 1 and engrave the lower, it’s not an SBR unless it has a short barrel. It’s just a lower with extra engraving at that point. You could sell it just like any other lower. Or cross state lines without permission. 😁