Firearms confiscation storage trailers?

georgel said:

Ya'll so serious. Those are ATF party trailers.

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OldNascar said:

Tell me, how do you equate slavery to the reclassification of guns, not the taking, just a process to keep these guns out of the hands of mass killers.

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Aren't mass killers the ones getting hold of the guns on a regular and ongoing basis? The ones doing most of the killings seem to be the criminals who stole the guns and otherwise got them illegally, right? Nobody seems to be able to keep those people from getting guns.

Or have I been misunderstanding things for most of my adult life?

Millie said:

Aren't mass killers the ones getting hold of the guns on a regular and ongoing basis? The ones doing most of the killings seem to be the criminals who stole the guns and otherwise got them illegally, right? Nobody seems to be able to keep those people from getting guns.

Or have I been misunderstanding things for most of my adult life?

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I think most of the mass killings the anti-gun lobby refers to are the school shootings perpetuated by juveniles; criminals yes, hardened criminals, no. Today a new wave of misuse is by the gangs sweeping the streets with bullets more so in a display of power as the kill numbers are small compared to the rounds fired, still more fodder for the anti-gunners.

The current chatter about AR’s being reclassified is that the change in enforcement abilities of the Feds will put a stop to the misuse, Has worked for the machine gun throughout the years and current anti-gunner’s thinking says the AR’s criminal usage will vanish from the streets as well.

I think we all as firearms enthusiasts will have our chance to defend perceived rights injustices. Godspeed and fortitude to you all!
R

OldNascar said:

We’ve had the NFA for the better part of a century and no taking as of yet. You why?

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Why are you so interested in how people who choose to do so, plan to resist govt. gun grabs? You posit that we'll be arrested or go to court or whatever and get pissy when you don't get a response.

Our rights don't originate with the politicians. They are not theirs to take away. They may try and have successfully denied some of them. Since, Obozo millions of people have decided to exercise their 2A rights and see the value of them. You did notice that gun grabbing wasn't a major campaign issues didn't you? Helps that most of the recent buyers were Dumbocrats.

Millie said:

Aren't mass killers the ones getting hold of the guns on a regular and ongoing basis? The ones doing most of the killings seem to be the criminals who stole the guns and otherwise got them illegally, right? Nobody seems to be able to keep those people from getting guns.

Or have I been misunderstanding things for most of my adult life?

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OldNascar said:

I think most of the mass killings the anti-gun lobby refers to are the school shootings perpetuated by juveniles; criminals yes, hardened criminals, no.

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So let's get the guns away from the kids, no? Isn't a criminal a criminal? What is a "hardened" criminal to you?

I'm legally able to have guns, why should my rights be curtailed because a bunch of thugs and kids steal/"borrow" guns and use them?

premise said:

I could fill a pond up with 55 gallon drums full of loudmouthed, opinionated JOs in this life that always had something to say while claiming to never give a damn.

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What did the pond or the barrels ever do to you?

OldNascar said:

The current chatter about AR’s being reclassified is that the change in enforcement abilities of the Feds will put a stop to the misuse, Has worked for the machine gun throughout the years and current anti-gunner’s thinking says the AR’s criminal usage will vanish from the streets as well.

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Really?

I feel safer already...NOT.🙄

noway2 said:

Why are you so interested in how people who choose to do so, plan to resist govt. gun grabs? You posit that we'll be arrested or go to court or whatever and get pissy when you don't get a response.

Our rights don't originate with the politicians. They are not theirs to take away. They may try and have successfully denied some of them. Since, Obozo millions of people have decided to exercise their 2A rights and see the value of them. You did notice that gun grabbing wasn't a major campaign issues didn't you? Helps that most of the recent buyers were Dumbocrats.

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OK, I’ll go one step further and really piss off most of those that think they are the only way to keep their rights to guns.

Biggest mistake the NRA, gun owners and regular Americans have made in the last several decades is the alienation of the other side/party/people of interest. Not too long ago the NRA was a power to contend with but put it’s money on one side, the Republican, rather than backing members of both parties that would guard our gun rights. Yes, they were there in the Demo side but that time has passed and the current political situation poses us for a future calamity. Division never works and yet we stood around and allowed it to become the main obstruction to our needs.

Millie said:

Really?

I feel safer already...NOT.🙄

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Millie, if you think you’re safe you’ve never studied the Patriot Act. Now there’s something that your guns can’t begin to protect you from.

OldNascar said:

Millie, if you think you’re safe you’ve never studied the Patriot Act. Now there’s something that your guns can’t begin to protect you from.

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I never said I was safe, man! lol. You didn't get the sarcasm, or maybe you didn't read what I typed. I get that a lot, no worries.

Millie said:

I never said I was safe, man! lol. You didn't get the sarcasm, or maybe you didn't read what I typed. I get that a lot, no worries.

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My bad, still wouldn’t hurt to brush up on the Patriot Act, that is if you need a little more to worry about.

OldNascar said:

OK, I’ll go one step further and really piss off most of those that think they are the only way to keep their rights to guns.

Biggest mistake the NRA, gun owners and regular Americans have made in the last several decades is the alienation of the other side/party/people of interest. Not too long ago the NRA was a power to contend with but put it’s money on one side, the Republican, rather than backing members of both parties that would guard our gun rights. Yes, they were there in the Demo side but that time has passed and the current political situation poses us for a future calamity. Division never works and yet we stood around and allowed it to become the main obstruction to our needs.

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Genius. In case you haven’t noticed division has been working for the Democrats since the 60’s. Identity politics is all about division. It works and it wins.

Edit - Cause some people are uninformed, dense or just plain idiotic. Your mileage may vary. Or not.

CZfool68 said:

Genius. In case you haven’t noticed division has been working for the Democrats since the 60’s. Identity politics is all about division. It works and it wins.

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Not really, in the end and there will be an end to this division there will be no winner. Winners in this country used to know they needed the losers to further their careers. Today all a politician needs is to follow the party line, dangerous times indeed.

OldNascar said:

Biggest mistake the NRA, gun owners and regular Americans have made in the last several decades is the alienation of the other side/party/people of interest. Not too long ago the NRA was a power to contend with but put it’s money on one side, the Republican, rather than backing members of both parties that would guard our gun rights.

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Actually, I agree with you whole heartedly on this. Until a few years ago, even on the leftist sewage site as I call it, The Daily Krap they had a 2A friendly section. Now there is the Liberal Gun Club, people who support the 2A but otherwise largely reject the R platform, specially the social issue aspect of it. There are allies out there. Playing your cards on the R party is / was stupid.

If you guys focused half as much energy onto first amendment abuses, concern over the second wouldn't amount to much.

Relapse said:

If you guys focused half as much energy onto first amendment abuses, concern over the second wouldn't amount to much.

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How about the 4th and the 10th? I kinda like those too.

OldNascar said:

Millie, if you think you’re safe you’ve never studied the Patriot Act. Now there’s something that your guns can’t begin to protect you from.

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Actually, guns are the only thing that will protect us from the Patriot Act and any other tyranny from the gov. That's why they put the 2A in the Constitution.

noway2 said:

Actually, I agree with you whole heartedly on this. Until a few years ago, even on the leftist sewage site as I call it, The Daily Krap they had a 2A friendly section. Now there is the Liberal Gun Club, people who support the 2A but otherwise largely reject the R platform, specially the social issue aspect of it. There are allies out there. Playing your cards on the R party is / was stupid.

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I think unknowingly the NRA actions created a vacuum in the Demo side opening the door for Soros and company. With no financial support from the gun lobbies those Demos that were pro-gun fell to the wayside. Today I doubt there are more than a few left that would defend the 2A. This current radicalism displayed by the Demos is as much our fault as anyone’s. Power people know to play both sides to their favor and remove themselves from the fray picking their fights wisely. Past time to learn the game.

SPST said:

Actually, guns are the only thing that will protect us from the Patriot Act and any other tyranny from the gov. That's why they put the 2A in the Constitution.

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Let the government declare you an enemy of the state and see how far you or any organization of your choosing fares with your weapon of choice.

OldNascar said:

Let the government declare you an enemy of the state and see how far you or any organization of your choosing fares with your weapon of choice.

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Yeah, that's what they said about the American Revolution. You can only push people so far before they have had enough and push back.
You seem to think that 100% of the military and LE will be on the gov side.

OldNascar said:

Let the government declare you an enemy of the state and see how far you or any organization of your choosing fares with your weapon of choice.

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As long as they are going after fringe people/organizations you are correct, due to the superiority of power. But, if it crosses over and many "patriots" believe it has gone too far, then the balance of power can shift on numbers alone. Plus the potential for desertion or changing sides among the ranks. The people will bring the fight to the govenment and the numbers are far greater, even if only a percentage participate. IMHO

OldNascar said:

Our country, the majority, have had their fill of misuse of firearms and the day is here for action so it’s time to come up with a plan that pleases the country. Do you have a reasonable plan of action that keeps you free, again I say no.

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Really?

You want a "plan of action"?

How 'bout we simply hold those committing the crimes responsible for their own actions instead of dropping the hammer on the rest of the citizens?

What a novel concept!

OldNascar said:

You’re welcome, I still have faith in my country and will abide by the rules and regulations as known. It’s still ‘We, the people’!

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I will abide in accordance with these words of wisdom:

"I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

- The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Robert A. Heinlein

OldNascar said:

Tell me, how do you equate slavery to the reclassification of guns, not the taking, just a process to keep these guns out of the hands of mass killers.

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You have to be joking if you believe this will keep anything out of the hands of mass killers.

OldNascar said:

I think most of the mass killings the anti-gun lobby refers to are the school shootings perpetuated by juveniles; criminals yes, hardened criminals, no. Today a new wave of misuse is by the gangs sweeping the streets with bullets more so in a display of power as the kill numbers are small compared to the rounds fired, still more fodder for the anti-gunners.

The current chatter about AR’s being reclassified is that the change in enforcement abilities of the Feds will put a stop to the misuse, Has worked for the machine gun throughout the years and current anti-gunner’s thinking says the AR’s criminal usage will vanish from the streets as well.

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They are using handguns in 99% of cases, because they can be concealed. ARs being used in crime is a non issue.

OldNascar said:

Us loosers have a few things figured out that you chaps have not yet grasped. There is going to be a change in the way guns are viewed in this country and if all you get is the right to pay your fee for your favored AR count yourself lucky. Now you can go and make your valiant stand but know this, the vast majority of this country is not going to back you up one bit and if you live through your stand against tyranny and have your day in court you will end up penniless for your efforts and locked behind bars for a very long time. Freedom ain’t cheap.

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Spoken like a good little serf.

RetiredUSNChief said:

I will abide in accordance with these words of wisdom:

"I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do."

- The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Robert A. Heinlein

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Amen to that.

RetiredUSNChief said:

Really?

You want a "plan of action"?

How 'bout we simply hold those committing the crimes responsible for their own actions instead of dropping the hammer on the rest of the citizens?

What a novel concept!

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Well the folks in Washington are now thinking of going proactive rather than reactive. Laws work great for those that fear for their lives and livelihoods but a mental case has no reasoning and that is the problem. No way to keep a gun out of their hands and still protect their rights.

No worries guys and gals as these folks have our collective backs.....:



Make sure to check out their action plans between bickering! Yes, the Govt may be a problem but the above listed folks will surely be one!

R

OldNascar said:

Well the folks in Washington are now thinking of going proactive rather than reactive. Laws work great for those that fear for their lives and livelihoods but a mental case has no reasoning and that is the problem. No way to keep a gun out of their hands and still protect their rights.

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The issue with “mental case” is just who gets to define it. If that decision lies with lawmakers, I can just about guarantee you the definition of “mental illness” will be intentionally be arbitrary / vague.

OldNascar said:

Well the folks in Washington are now thinking of going proactive rather than reactive. Laws work great for those that fear for their lives and livelihoods but a mental case has no reasoning and that is the problem. No way to keep a gun out of their hands and still protect their rights.

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"Proactive"...

What a euphemism for "thought crime". Where we hold people responsible for criminal acts which haven't happened.

And worse, we hold people responsible who not only haven't, but won't, commit the criminal acts in question in the first place.

There's another word for that: "tyranny".

There are ALREADY bastions of this kind of political BS, and quite honestly those bastions have the highest incidences of the types of problems you're talking about. Chicago. New York. District of Columbia. Detroit. Baltimore. I could go on.

There's another word for these attempts. Well, several other singular words:

- Bullsh*t.

- Lies.

- False.

(Insert a bunch of others at will.)

The bottom line is this is about political power. No more, no less. Always has been, always will be.

Some of y'all need to step back from the edge on this thread and chill...

OldNascar said:

You got one thing right, I don’t give a damn but it’s about those that take my words out of context and play the spin game to your supposed advantage. Get back to your trollers and continue on believing in your pitiful needs.

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You do realize that if you truly think that we are just a “bunch of nuts” and you truly “don’t give a damn” that you are free to rid yourself of us by not letting the door slam on your six old man.
Bye bye now!

Bull Durham said:

You do realize that if you truly think that we are just a “bunch of nuts” and you truly “don’t give a damn” that you are free to rid yourself of us by not letting the door slam on your six old man.
Bye bye now!

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In your dreams mister. Plenty on this forum agree with my thoughts, they just prefer to lay low from the sh_t slinging.

O

OldNascar said:

In your dreams mister.

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Of all of the things that inhabit my dreams, you certainly don’t make the cut pal.

Bull Durham said:

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Of all of the things that inhabit my dreams, you certainly don’t make the cut pal.

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Sorry you feel that way.

Relapse said:

If you guys focused half as much energy onto first amendment abuses, concern over the second wouldn't amount to much.

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This is a firearms forum. We also care about childcare, healthcare, international trade agreements, cars, trucks, camping, books, life, death, and lima beans. But this is a gun forum, so we concentrate on firearm related topics.

OldNascar said:

In your dreams mister. Plenty on this forum agree with my thoughts, they just prefer to lay low from the sh_t slinging.

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So there is no line you won't cross if the government pushes you? You will bend the knee no matter what?