ATF and SB pistol braces

Have you done anything about this besides complain?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 86.4%

  • No, I’m just here to rant

    Votes: 3 13.6%
  • Total voters
    22
Am i mistaken - im not reading it to mean theyve changed their mind just that the notice has been withdrawn from further review and comments?
 
Alabamacoastie said:
I appreciate the "industry"... But, this shouldn't be about "politicians pushing back for the industry". It should be "Americans pushing back for the republic! "

Defund the ATF!
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But, isn't this how it's supposed to work? Representatives representing the people? We're the back stop if that fails.

I actually believe defunding the ATF is a viable thing. Or at least removing the Firearms part. It seems so much of their role is outdated. Many of the rules and regulations have so many work arounds that their enforcement seems moot and of no benefit for the public good.
 
Also the letter had 48,000 comments at the time of its its withdrawal. 48k after 5 days. The 16 day limit was illegal by the GOPA which requires letters get 90 days of comment period. For comparison the m855 green tip ban letter only got 80k in 90 days and they never went through with that. This got 48k in 5 days during a presidential transition in the midst of a pandemic.
 
NCFubar said:
Do not celebrate to early ... the ATF might not do it themselves BUT the Slo Joe & The Ho will be sworn in to office in less than a month ... then braces may very will be the least of our worries.
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But, at least we'll have them to fight with. Actually, if it comes down to that, the braces will come off.
 


89 Congressmen sign and sent letter to atf...

its a start

And yes...Rouzer from NC was on there!

DS
 
georgel said:
But, at least we'll have them to fight with. Actually, if it comes down to that, the braces will come off.
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IF it ever came down to something like “that” trust me they would not need to worry about a braced pistol or even an evil black rifle with a “high capacity clip” ... just like your avatar surgical accuracy at distance will be my personal choice and I use to be damn good so even rusty I’d be a real thorn.
 
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DirtySCREW said:
And yes...Rouzer from NC was on there!

DS
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Richard Hudson apparently wrote the letter. NC 8th District!

There's apparently a massive push going on within the industry to fight this. Posted on Arfcom from the founder of PSA and CEO of JJE Holdings (new owner of AAC/DPMS/Storm Lake/H&R), Jamin Mccallum.
Jamin Mccallum said:
There has been a massive industry and political push back behind the scenes. A lot of the details can’t be revealed, but someone and some really important politicians looked out for the industry. A lot of work is gone into this. There is still more to this fight, but our industry owes a debt of gratitude. I haven’t been this happy since the assault weapons ban lapsed. We are done being on defense and are now on offense.

Thanks,
Jamin
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NCFubar said:
IF it ever came down to something like “that” trust me they would not need to worry about a braced pistol or even an evil black rifle with a “high capacity clip” ... just like your avatar surgical accuracy at distance will be my personal choice and I use to be damn good so even rusty I’d be a real thorn.
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There's a reason it's my avatar.
DrScaryGuy said:
16 is good, 15.9 is prison.
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Or your wife gets shot. Oh, wait, that was a shotgun.
 
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Alabamacoastie said:
I appreciate the "industry"... But, this shouldn't be about "politicians pushing back for the industry". It should be "Americans pushing back for the republic! "

Defund the ATF!
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For gods sake, Go take a civics class.

For you all who acted, THANK YOU.

For all you bench warmers, go enjoy your FUDD status for not supporting the constitution of this great land. You, not the ATF is the problem.

Marry Christmas
 
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charliesgrave said:
Dear Representative Budd,

I would just like to thank you for your support and signature on congressman Richard Hudson's letter to attorney general Barr and the current head of the ATF regarding that agency's recent attempt to turn potentially hundreds of thousands of law abiding gun owners into felons overnight.
Our constitutional rights are always being eroded by attempted legislation, and in the case of the ATF, the apparent power to make laws outside of the established process for doing so.
Your support is appreciated on what is likely the eve of four years of sustained assaults against basic human rights.
It is my hope you continue to stand against blatant tyranny, fighting against dangerous policies such as red flag laws, and unconstitutional executive orders.

Even more so , it is my hope, along with that of a majority of fellow gun owners and Americans that rather than be reactionary, we become proactive in securing basic human rights for our children and future generations of Americans.

To that end, it is my hope that the momentum we seem to have at this moment be used to further marginalize the ATF's unconstitutional power by revoking the National Firearms Act and removing that agency's ability to seemingly write laws with little to no oversight or accountability.
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Estimated 4.5million pistol braces sold! Yes, common arm and maybe just remove NFA. DoD even issues the standard service rifle now has a 14.5" bbl in the M4 Carbine. US vs Miller 1939 ruled the sawed off shotgun had no militia use at the time. So SBRs, SBS (Rem 870 MCS) and full auto weapons now standard in DoD.


CD
 
JBoyette said:
For gods sake, Go take a civics class.

For you all who acted, THANK YOU.

For all you bench warmers, go enjoy your FUDD status for not supporting the constitution of this great land. You, not the ATF is the problem.

Marry Christmas
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I've already taken a few civics classes, and I did quite well in them. Now you've got me wondering what I wrote in that one post that would lead you to believe that I haven't had any civics classes.

MERRY Christmas... ;)
 
Alabamacoastie said:
I've already taken a few civics classes, and I did quite well in them. Now you've got me wondering what I wrote in that one post that would lead you to believe that I haven't had any civics classes.

MERRY Christmas... ;)
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From my perspective, we just seen the American system in action.

The people spoke to the .gov on two fronts.
1. Publicly by posting comments
2. Engagement of elected officials

Both fronts forced a government agency to stop it's actions.

That's a ATF doing what it's supposed to do. Not a big evil thing.

The big evil thing is bench warming americans "yes a little "a" for them" who complained, posted, poked the interwebs, or talked trash at the gun range lobby and did no action.

To me, these people are the real threat to our country.

One last point, these bench warmers are the same people who talk mad junk about the second "civil war", but don't have the bravery to post in a public setting against a government agency. But I am to believe them to fight? Yeah ok. Lol

Marry Christmas 🎄
 
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JBoyette said:
Form my perspective, we just seen the American system in action.

The people spoke to the .gov on two fronts.
1. Publicly by posting comments
2. Engagement of elected officials

Both fronts forced a government agency to stop it's actions.

That's a ATF doing what it's supposed to do. Not a big evil thing.

The big evil thing is bench warming americans "yes a little "a" for them" who complained, posted, poked the interwebs, or talked trash at the gun range lobby and did no action.

To me, these people are the real threat to our country.

One last point, these bench warmers are the same people who talk mad junk about the second "civil war", but don't have the bravery to post in a public setting against a government agency. But I am to believe them to fight? Yeah ok. Lol

Marry Christmas 🎄
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Yep. Some of "the people" and some of "the politicians" stood up to the ATF. That's wonderful. Everything worked the way it was supposed to. And, it worked quickly, which is even more amazing.

My original concern was the way the politicians' actions were praised in the comment @Timfoilhat posted earlier. I know he didn't write that, it was a quote copy/ pasted from somewhere else.

But, in my opinion, the politicians need to be working to protect the Constitution, not "the industry". Of course, in this instance they did both. I just wish that there was more of an emphasis on saving the rights of Americans instead of saving a few businesses that make gun parts for profit.
 
Alabamacoastie said:
But, in my opinion, the politicians need to be working to protect the Constitution, not "the industry". Of course, in this instance they did both. I just wish that there was more of an emphasis on saving the rights of Americans instead of saving a few businesses that make gun parts for profit.
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While I agree the main purpose for the comments/backlash should be preservation of the RTKBA, I also believe many in the industry burned up the lines (phone/email) to their respective representatives, primarily just for that reason. Yeah, they have businesses to keep afloat and folks depending upon a paycheck, but...

If the wheels went up, I believe there are folks in the industry (and not just a few) who’d be the first to show up in the pre-dawn hours on Lexington Green, rifle in hand, saying “Alright...let’s do this.”
 
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