House Majority Whip Steve Scalise shot in VA

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Oh $#!T
Dude is Walter Solchek
 
I don't think we need to look any further than the fact that he was a Bernie Sanders supporter. I mean come one...he was a Bernie Sanders supporter. You gotta be seriously half baked to support that geriatric marxist flake.

Let me say it one more time...

He was a Bernie Sanders supporter.

I'm going to stop saying "Who is John Galt?", and start saying "He was a Bernie Sanders supporter".
 
noway2 said:
@Studentofthegun I'm not quoting your post because I'm not going to belabor the point about my personal feelings towards politicians. However, honest, open dialog and discussion about what motivates the nut cases to act out and discussion of behavioral - predictive tools like the one I mentioned that was developed by an expert, should be in bounds for public discussion, would you not agree?
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Do I need to look at the motivations of the Unabomber? How about Timothy McVeigh? Sorry, but I think I have enough knowledge about evil to know it when I see it. Same goes for recognizing an insane or hateful person.

This isn't about "predictive tools". You're implying that Scalise did something to deserve this.

You said it quite clearly here:
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It's not as if they don't give The People sufficient cause to.
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noway2 said:
A book you really should read is called Verbal Judo. While the book is largely about deescalation and negotiation which isn't what were discussing here, in chapter 1 of the book, the author discusses how someone may be unreasonable or irrational by every definition but to them, in their mind, they are not. In there mind they are completely rational and that is the framework you must use when dealing with them.
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No amount of verbal judo will distance you from what you've already expressed here. It isn't necessary to join a book club to know that you're blaming the victim.

You don't deal with a crazy person by parsing out their warped justifications. But let's not pretend you're really about "understanding motivations" here. Rule #1 about holes: when you find yourself in one, stop digging.
 
Within the whirlwind of the news cycle the anti-Second Amendment refrain has already begun. CNN hosts and the editorial boards at many big newspapers are muttering “the gun, the gun,” as if the gun is responsible, as if the gun had an evil spirit that convinced this man—not a “shooter” as so many in the media will call him, but a killer, a would-be murderer—to shoot members of Congress and their staff. As if an American freedom is causing some to do evil.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...is-not-problem-in-fact-it-can-save-lives.html
 
Amp Mangum said:
Within the whirlwind of the news cycle the anti-Second Amendment refrain has already begun. CNN hosts and the editorial boards at many big newspapers are muttering “the gun, the gun,” as if the gun is responsible, as if the gun had an evil spirit that convinced this man—not a “shooter” as so many in the media will call him, but a killer, a would-be murderer—to shoot members of Congress and their staff. As if an American freedom is causing some to do evil.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...is-not-problem-in-fact-it-can-save-lives.html
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Thats why we need to scream from the rooftops..."Bernie Sanders supporter". We need to make them own this.
 
It isn't how you mean the posts to come across folks. It's others perceptions of these posts that can cause us issues.
 
Side note ... the 2 shootings at congressional people the media keeps on talking about, Giffords and her aide and now Scalise and the aides, both were done by liberal looneys. The Giffords shooter went full on crazy paranoid schizophrenia and determined unable to stand trial for over a year. And this shooting was done by a Bernie supporter so full on liberal but as to mental state that is yet to be determined ... but he was a Democrate through and through that went off enough to go after the GOP ball players.
 
So let me get this straight.

When a POS killed 9 human beings in a Charleston church, the media wanted to talk about the shooter and his motivations.

Thankfully no one was killed here, but why aren't we talking about the shooter and his motivations? I bet he has Bernie magnets on his fridge. I bet he voted for Hillary too. Why aren't we talking about his Facebook page on MSM?
I know they are rhetorical questions.
 
The Green Heron said:
So let me get this straight.

When a POS killed 9 human beings in a Charleston church, the media wanted to talk about the shooter and his motivations.

Thankfully no one was killed here, but why aren't we talking about the shooter and his motivations? I bet he has Bernie magnets on his fridge. I bet he voted for Hillary too. Why aren't we talking about his Facebook page on MSM?
I know they are rhetorical questions.
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Here's a couple screen shots of his "Likes" on his Facebook page . I'd say the "voted for Hillary" observation is a given.

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The Green Heron said:
So let me get this straight.

When a POS killed 9 human beings in a Charleston church, the media wanted to talk about the shooter and his motivations.

Thankfully no one was killed here, but why aren't we talking about the shooter and his motivations? I bet he has Bernie magnets on his fridge. I bet he voted for Hillary too. Why aren't we talking about his Facebook page on MSM?
I know they are rhetorical questions.
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I know your question is rhetorical but they will not talk about it because it doesn't fit their narrative. The media holds the majority of this blame. They rile up the sides and then act surprised when people snap. Some believe the MSM 100%, they are truly scary.
 
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Within the whirlwind of the news cycle the anti-Second Amendment refrain has already begun. CNN hosts and the editorial boards at many big newspapers are muttering “the gun, the gun,” as if the gun is responsible, as if the gun had an evil spirit that convinced this man—not a “shooter” as so many in the media will call him, but a killer, a would-be murderer—to shoot members of Congress and their staff. As if an American freedom is causing some to do evil.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017...is-not-problem-in-fact-it-can-save-lives.html
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The Green Heron said:
So let me get this straight.

When a POS killed 9 human beings in a Charleston church, the media wanted to talk about the shooter and his motivations.

Thankfully no one was killed here, but why aren't we talking about the shooter and his motivations? I bet he has Bernie magnets on his fridge. I bet he voted for Hillary too. Why aren't we talking about his Facebook page on MSM?
I know they are rhetorical questions.
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Exactly.

When shooter can be tied, whether correctly or not, to an out of favor group (Christians, white conservatives, etc.), it's all about the shooter.

When the shooter is linked to an in favor group such as liberals, it's all about the gun.
 
At least one of them seems to get it.

Anger about his own colleagues being attacked was evident in the words of Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), who, suit in tie, stopped by the crime scene to pray, was viscerally angry about his own colleagues being attacked.

“America has been divided,” he said, “and the center of America is disappearing, and the violence is appearing in the streets, and it’s coming from the left.” King did indicate it was impossible to separate the hyperpartisan climate in Washington — especially people protesting President Trump — with Republican members of Congress being gunned down at a baseball scrimmage.

“The divisions within the country, people that can’t accept the results of the election that are determined to try to take this country down, take this organization down,” King said. “This city was filled up with demonstrations the day after the inauguration, where you couldn’t drive down the streets.”
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/la...son-dies-after-shootout/ar-BBCFi8H?li=BBnb7Kz
 
No guys...he did this because rich establishment conservatives have forever been putting roadblocks to success in his ways. After 66 years of doing his absolute best he watched the country get taken over by the very people that targeted him for so long. It's totally the fault of the white male dominated society that we live in and the true guilt lies in the hands of those that pushed this poor man into the acts of desperation that we have seen here. And the more that we push America towards the constitutional republic that it is and away from the socialist utopia that Bernie has promised the more that these abused souls that did nothing wrong will lash out against the evil right.


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B00ger said:
No guys...he did this because rich establishment conservatives have forever been putting roadblocks to success in his ways. After 66 years of doing his absolute best he watched the country get taken over by the very people that targeted him for so long. It's totally the fault of the white male dominated society that we live in and the true guilt lies in the hands of those that pushed this poor man into the acts of desperation that we have seen here. And the more that we push America towards the constitutional republic that it is and away from the socialist utopia that Bernie has promised the more that these abused souls that did nothing wrong will lash out against the evil right.


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Yep:
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I've already read a few articles already that are downplaying his "passion". It doesn't get much more passionate than what this liberal turd did.
 
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The Green Heron said:
This is likely the beginning of darker times for us all.
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And thus the desire to understand the reasoning behind this mans actions.

It may keep some people in future events alive.

But its easier to paint him as just another crazy loon, that way we don't have to realize it may be our neighbor that goes off the rail next.
It is more than just a mental illness, there are causes and reasons and influences that push people to the point of no return.

Talking about these things helps but alas he was just another wuss that couldn't handle business operations.
 
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Tailhunter said:
And thus the desire to understand the reasoning behind this mans actions.

It may keep some people in future events alive.

But its easier to paint him as just another crazy loon, that way we don't have to realize it way be our neighbor that goes of the rail next.
It is more than just a mental illness the are causes and reasons and influences that push people to the point of no return.

Talking about these things helps but alas he was just another wuss that couldn't handle business operations.
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So, tell us your deep reasoning behind why a person would do this.

And then explain to us how exactly that knowledge, that we >have< discussed, will make any difference?

The issue isn't that we don't need to understand why, it's the fact that even when we know why we cannot not should we do anything about it until someone actually does something. We can't arrest people for "profiling as a rabid Bernie supporter" any more than we can arrest gun owners who haven't shot anyone but post anti-Hillary/antifa stuff.

The end of the day, keep your eyes open, crazy is out there. Always has been, always will be. But there are millions of moronic Bernie supporters out there that didn't shoot anyone today and never will. There are millions of people who have had failed businesses who won't ever do anything.




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To be honest, I am mostly just annoyed by the calls for unity. At least a couple congressman have spoke their mind. The left is stirring this pot and causing the mayhem.

I have absolutely zero interest in unity with them. They are the enemy.

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IrishCannon said:
To be honest, I am mostly just annoyed by the calls for unity. At least a couple congressman have spoke their mind. The left is stirring this pot and causing the mayhem.

I have absolutely zero interest in unity with them. They are the enemy.

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I'll go ahead and say it - how many of them - politicians, lobbyists, private supporters - are saying the "right words" in public and cheering the act in private?
 
Tailhunter said:
Nah, can't be. That would be an influence and those don't exist. Read the Rev. B00ger's comments.
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Please quote where I said there were no influences. There are influences everywhere. Are you, again, misreading things?


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B00ger said:
Please quote where I said there were no influences. There are influences everywhere. Are you, again, misreading things?


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"He is no more than a failed loser who lashed out because he was too weak of a man to handle business"

I take this as the only reason he lashed out was because he was too weak to "handle business".

I attest there where many more reasons and influences then just being a loser.
 
I would HOPE none of them are glad that ANYONE was shot but, I would be shocked if some are not filling it away for future political use, as the saying goes let no tragedy ever go to waste for political advantage.
 
Tailhunter said:
"He is no more than a failed loser who lashed out because he was too weak of a man to handle business"

I take this as the only reason he lashed out was because he was too weak to "handle business".

I attest there where many more reasons and influences then just being a loser.
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So, out of all that I have added to this conversation that is the one specific quote you pull out to assume that I never accepted or acknowledged that there were and are multiple reasons why he would do such a thing. Please, read before you comment.

And in the end, he >IS< no more than a failed loser who lashed out because he was too weak of a man to handle business. Many people every day face hardship, loss, failure, disappointment, and other troubles. Those people don't grab rifles and go shooting at representatives. They man up, handle shop, and move on.
 
Downeast said:
Alexandria is in Virginia, so the DC gun laws do not apply. My wife has relatives there and she carries when visiting. But if you cross the river into DC you give up all your rights as a human being.
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I never did. Lived ther for four years. CC that way they dont know your breaking the law.
 
B00ger said:
So, out of all that I have added to this conversation that is the one specific quote you pull out to assume that I never accepted or acknowledged that there were and are multiple reasons why he would do such a thing. Please, read before you comment.

And in the end, he >IS< no more than a failed loser who lashed out because he was too weak of a man to handle business. Many people every day face hardship, loss, failure, disappointment, and other troubles. Those people don't grab rifles and go shooting at representatives. They man up, handle shop, and move on.
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Whatever ... o_O
 
Shame some of those representatives weren't armed. Sounds like they may have done a better job of killing the SOB.

It's bad when you have to scream at the cops for 5 minutes to shoot the bastard, instead of screaming at him to put the gun down.
 
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