Those of you saying he wasn't reaching for it, wha was he going for? He didn't have a license and he had already handed over the registration.
The how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop, the world may never know.Those of you saying he wasn't reaching for it, wha was he going for? He didn't have a license and he had already handed over the registration.
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Why does it matter what he was reaching for?That is the $64K question
Those of you saying he wasn't reaching for it, wha was he going for? He didn't have a license and he had already handed over the registration.
How many people are dumb enough to not keep their hands in plain sight when declaring they have a firearm? That's my problem with this situation. Everyone wants to crucify the cop, but why would anyone make any kind of movements with their hands after declaring the presence of a firearm?How do you know he was actually reaching? What if he was gesturing? The officer could have easily misinterpreted what was going on in the vehicle. How many people tell a cop they have a permit and a firearm, then do a slow draw on the cop to kill them? Seems a little far fetched, unlike the possibility that the cop grossly overreacted to the situation at hand.
How many people are dumb enough to not keep their hands in plain sight when declaring they have a firearm.
How many people are dumb enough to not keep their hands in plain sight when declaring they have a firearm? That's my problem with this situation. Everyone wants to crucify the cop, but why would anyone make any kind of movements with their hands after declaring the presence of a firearm?
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THAT would have been easy to do... It would for me.
Nobody said he deserved it. Whether wrong or right, his actions and failure to heed instructions provoked the final outcome.so you think he deserved to die?
so you think he deserved to die?
Nobody said he deserved it. Whether wrong or right, his actions and failure to heed instructions provoked the final outcome.
Put yourself in the cop's shoes. What would you have done? For that matter, put yourself in the deceased's shoes. What would you have done differently, if anything?
How do you know he was actually reaching? What if he was gesturing? The officer could have easily misinterpreted what was going on in the vehicle. How many people tell a cop they have a permit and a firearm, then do a slow draw on the cop to kill them? Seems a little far fetched, unlike the possibility that the cop grossly overreacted to the situation at hand.
How many people are dumb enough to not keep their hands in plain sight when declaring they have a firearm? That's my problem with this situation. Everyone wants to crucify the cop, but why would anyone make any kind of movements with their hands after declaring the presence of a firearm?
I've been pulled over a few times while carrying. License/insurance/ccp at the ready, hands on the wheel until instructed otherwise. Guess what? I survived.You say it like he can instantly freeze. I'd be willing to bet if you were nervous and gesturing while talking and someone said "Don't reach for it!" It would take you a split second to process the command (especially if you were NOT reaching for anything and confused) then react
I've been pulled over a few times while carrying. License/insurance/ccp at the ready, hands on the wheel until instructed otherwise. Guess what? I survived.
I've been pulled over a few times while carrying. License/insurance/ccp at the ready, hands on the wheel until instructed otherwise. Guess what? I survived.
Guess what? I've been hauled out of my car having done everything right. I wasn't shot, but the cop spread eagled me on the hood of my car and took my gun because she was scared of it being in the car despite announcing it, having my permit etc
Just because you are perfect doesn't mean that's a universal trait
The victim did as he should have and still got shot. Pretty clear the cop was in the wrong. Not the same situation, though, nor a fair comparison.Man complies with every command, is shot anyways:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbcn...ting-autistic-man-s-unarmed-therapist-n745716
According to half the posts here, the victim, per protocol, should not have been shot. So which is it? Does doing what you're told work 100% of the time or is there some margin of error all around?
Yes because otherwise a cop will be able to justify blowing someone's head off because he broke eye contact "he was scanning for his gun!"Why does it matter what he was reaching for?
"If one of our revenue generators pulls you over to fleece you for a little more money, your hands should not move during the entire encounter. Moving your hands is just cause for being sot to death"
Sounds like something you would hear in a free country, right?
I'm not a police-basher typically, but when you put encounters like this in abstract terms, it's a pretty stupid reason for somebody to lose their life.
"If one of our revenue generators pulls you over to fleece you for a little more money, your hands should not move during the entire encounter. Moving your hands is just cause for being shot to death"
Sounds like something you would hear in a free country, right?
I'm not a police-basher typically, but when you put encounters like this in abstract terms, it's a pretty stupid reason for somebody to lose their life.
Nobody is arguing that he deserved to be shot to death, but it seems some are quick to place all fault on the officer when it is shared by bothe parties. There are things that could have been done differently on both sides that would have allowed everyone to return home safely. Another factor that comes into play is the current attitude toward police. Not making an excuse, just providing an insight into the state of mind and enhanced awareness of police. Whether right or wrong, when the current climate leads you to believe that a simple traffic stop has an increased potential for a deadly encounter, it is understandable that officers would be more apt to react. I agree that, as professionals charged with protecting the public, officers need a better way to deal with that increased jumpiness. That starts with a shift in public opinion to support of police."If one of our revenue generators pulls you over to fleece you for a little more money, your hands should not move during the entire encounter. Moving your hands is just cause for being sot to death"
Sounds like something you would hear in a free country, right?
I'm not a police-basher typically, but when you put encounters like this in abstract terms, it's a pretty stupid reason for somebody to lose their life.
Apparently the jurors in this case. Listen, nobody said it justifies it. Just that once you disclose you have a weapon, it is unwise to make any gestures or motions that would give an officer reason to believe you're reaching for said weapon until instructed to do so. As stated in another post, awareness of officer safety is increased in the current climate. Responsibility falls on both parties to ensure everyone goes home alive.My thoughts exactly. Who the F%^K thinks moving their hands justifies being shot?
And some people just don't like getting shot.The victim did as he should have and still got shot. Pretty clear the cop was in the wrong. Not the same situation, though, nor a fair comparison.
I can already here the "do as you should and get shot, do as you shouldn't get shot" comments. Cue NWA. Some people just have a hard on for hating on cops.
Show of hands, who thinks that doing the exact thing the officer is telling you not to do is the best course of action?
Then don't do anything that may give someone a reason to shoot you. Pretty simple.And some people just don't like getting shot.
If pulling my gun justifies shooting me, we have some serious problems with training, common sense, comprehension, etc, etc....
OK, in what scenario is disobeying an order the right move then?That would depend on the situation. His best interest and mine aren't necessarily the same.
So the officer should have waited until the gun had been presented before firing? Or should he have waited until he had already been shot?If moving my hands justifies shooting me, we have some serious problems with training, common sense, comprehension, etc, etc....