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Who's willing to stand up for the 2nd amendment for all?

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The people in this forum that have been here for a while are a pretty tight knit bunch.
We have some real asshats come and had to be sent away.
Give this place some time, look around, read some posts to get to understand the personality types, then ask the pointed question.
This forum topic is just for introducing yourself, just like when you walk in to a new bar. Just nod your head to anyone who looks at you, have a seat and listen to the chatter before you start what may cause a barfight.
Look around and get the feel of things then dig in. We don't know how to take you if you come in hard and as humans usually do, we get all defensive.
And Welcome again, this is a good place, make some friends and relax.
I hope you like it here.
 
tanstaafl72555 said:
It is a gun forum. We expect people to know how to speal. Other than that, everyone will get along well with you.
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FWIW, I think the idea of forever losing rights under 2A for felons is bad, but I think the whole "justice" system is really screwed up, anyway
 
Is this leagal? said:
I'm just a little riled up because, it's so easy to write someone off due to their past. When I read you guys group statement, I felt people in here would be for protecting ones rights.
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We are all judged by our past and should not be able to escape the consequences of what we have done. You knew the consequences of your actions but did them anyway. You knew that you would sacrifice your rights because of your actions but did them anyway. Part of your punishment was to lose your freedom and a bunch of rights for a while behind bars and part of your punishment was to lose certain rights once released unless you get a judge to reinstate your rights.

We are certainly for protecting our rights but realize the responsibilities associated with those rights. Shirk those responsibilities and sever consequences should await you. Those consequences could include an inability to exercise your rights, elimination of your liberty, and even a termination of your life.
 
Is this leagal? said:
Yes sir. I don't believe I have the money.
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And therein lies the greatest injustice beyond the idea that the government has the moral authority to Grant and rescind Rights.

From the sound of OP's response, he would be eligible - but not until he pays .gov an exorbitant fee.

That, gentlemen, is not Justice. It is a scheme by which the State extracts money from the People - and those who have done their time are once again, We, the People.

Either you have served your sentence and upon release return to the world a Free Man with all the Rights and privileges thereof, or none of us have Rights at all - just varying levels of permission that the State may grant or rescind upon its whims.
 
Charlie said:
We are all judged by our past and should not be able to escape the consequences of what we have done. You knew the consequences of your actions but did them anyway. You knew that you would sacrifice your rights because of your actions but did them anyway. Part of your punishment was to lose your freedom and a bunch of rights for a while behind bars and part of your punishment was to lose certain rights once released unless you get a judge to reinstate your rights.

We are certainly for protecting our rights but realize the responsibilities associated with those rights. Shirk those responsibilities and sever consequences should await you. Those consequences could include an inability to exercise your rights, elimination of your liberty, and even a termination of your life.
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That sounds like a boarderline threat. I'm done with this group.
 
Was your felony a drug or property crime or any form of assault on a person?

Drug or Property crimes, yeah, I could get behind restoring gun rights.

ANY sort of assault, any sort of violent encounter outside of self-defense? Nope. You had your chance and blew it. You maybe don't need to be locked up any longer, but I don't have any problem at all with a 'scarlet letter'. It's that old "fool me once, shame on you...." axiom.
 
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Tim said:
Was your felony a drug or property crime or any form of assault on a person?

Drug or Property crimes, yeah, I could get behind restoring gun rights.

ANY sort of assault, any sort of violent encounter outside of self-defense? Nope. You had your chance and blew it. You maybe don't need to be locked up any longer, but I don't have any problem at all with a 'scarlet letter'. It's that old "fool me once, shame on you...." axiom.
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It was drugs and property crimes. I started working when I was 15. Experimented with weed as a teen, was introduced to harder stuff as I got older, but always worked, never stole. 6months before my incarceration, I was on a downward spiral, felt trapped in my addiction, didn't care if I lived or died. Still, even being so desperate to get high, I'd never physically harm another. Started stealing and thankfully got caught.
 
I'm not a lawyer, and I didn't stay in the Holiday Inn last night, but I do believe that black powder guns don't meet the legal description of a firearm.

If you need something for personal protection, you could consider picking up a replica Colt Army model revolver. 6 shots, 44 caliber. You'll have to load it with powder, ball, and a cap, but its nothing to laugh at. Its still plenty powerful, even by modern standards.

Now should you have to use it in defense, I don't know how LE will treat you for having it. I only know that since its not legally a firearm, you can purchase one. The only requirement is that you be over 18 years old.
 
Is this leagal? said:
That sounds like a boarderline threat. I'm done with this group.
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No threat at all. How did I borderline threaten you by pointing out what you knew all along? You knew the consequences of your actions and did them anyway. You stole from people. You may not have physically harmed people but you did harm people. Your actions may very well negatively affect those people for the rest of their lives, and now you want people to act as if it never happened.
 
Is this leagal? said:
It was drugs and property crimes. I started working when I was 15. Experimented with weed as a teen, was introduced to harder stuff as I got older, but always worked, never stole. 6months before my incarceration,
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I’m no lawyer, and as you said you can’t afford the graft of injustice right now, but from what you say, it sounds like you may be able to get this expunged at some point. Perhaps that’s a positive goal you could work towards?
 
Charlie said:
No threat at all. How did I borderline threaten you by pointing out what you knew all along? You knew the consequences of your actions and did them anyway. You stole from people. You may not have physically harmed people but you did harm people. Your actions may very well negatively affect those people for the rest of their lives, and now you want people to act as if it never happened.
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You got me all wrong sir.
 
I recall a very very long thread on this topic, I will avoid going long on this again.

I have no problem with society prohibiting certain folks from owning a firearm, but I think that applying it to all felons is overly broad. The odds that this will be changed in our lifetimes is about zero.

Do you believe that the cost to gets your rights restored is too high because of fees, lawyers, or time off work to make it happen? I haven’t looked at the process, but I expect that a determined person could complete it without an attorney.
 
JimB said:
I recall a very very long thread on this topic, I will avoid going long on this again.

I have no problem with society prohibiting certain folks from owning a firearm, but I think that applying it to all felons is overly broad. The odds that this will be changed in our lifetimes is about zero.

Do you believe that the cost to gets your rights restored is too high because of fees, lawyers, or time off work to make it happen? I haven’t looked at the process, but I expect that a determined person could complete it without an attorney.
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I'll have to really check. I don't want to speculate. I will say this. My future wife don't have a job, and when it comes to her and her son eating, I'm gonna feed my family first. Black powder don't seem too bad. I am determined though. I wish the world was perfect, but it's not. All I can do is follow the laws, do my best, hold my head up and never go back to the old me. The only way I know how to right this wrong, is stay strong, never give into the temptations of going back to where I was 6 years ago. I've been clean and sober since my incarceration. Not a drink, drug or anything. I don't talk to no one from the old days, I don't hang out. I just go to work, pay taxes, and feed my family. I still feel like at any moment I could find myself back in, even though I strive to follow the law to the letter.
 
Is this leagal? said:
I'll have to really check. I don't want to speculate. I will say this. My future wife don't have a job, and when it comes to her and her son eating, I'm gonna feed my family first. Black powder don't seem too bad. I am determined though. I wish the world was perfect, but it's not. All I can do is follow the laws, do my best, hold my head up and never go back to the old me. The only way I know how to right this wrong, is stay strong, never give into the temptations of going back to where I was 6 years ago. I've been clean and sober since my incarceration. Not a drink, drug or anything. I don't talk to no one from the old days, I don't hang out. I just go to work, pay taxes, and feed my family. I still feel like at any moment I could find myself back in, even though I strive to follow the law to the letter.
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@Is this leagal? It sounds like you are working on getting your priorities straight. We're all a little bit broken in one way or another and some are major big time broken.
There may be saints that walk among us, but personally I have never met one. The key is not letting your broken parts define your life going forward, especially if that is not the real you and you totally bury that demon. Sure, there are some complications based on your past but you ARE WHERE YOU ARE. The only thing you can do is move forward. You have gotten some good advice here on B.P. in the interim and striving to have your rights restored through time.

Best of luck and take care of your family.
 
I appreciate all the comments everyone. Sorry if I offended some, that was not my intentions here. I'm just looking for some real friends, who share the same values as me. It's tough being a recovering addict, starting all over again, trying to make new friends. All my friends from my past, were people I grew up with, partied with. I refuse to become a statistic, so I mainly keep to myself. My fiancee is the only person, outside my immediate family whom I hang with. Which is fine by me. She's a great woman, never used drugs and supports me every step of the way. I'm going on 6 years sober in July. I have the utmost respect for law enforcement and would love the opportunity to thank the officers who found a dying man in July of 2013. I just started this poll/ thread in hopes to enlighten some to a broken justice system, that seems to me, punishes its citizens, even after release. I'm the only member in my family to have ever done a prison sentence. Have I fully repaid my debt to society? Some would argue yes. Me? I still struggle with forgiving myself. So all that being said... Hello all!
 
This is one mans process in another state. Might be a legit avenue to your plight here. Sounds like more time than money

 
Is this leagal? said:
I appreciate all the comments everyone. Sorry if I offended some, that was not my intentions here. I'm just looking for some real friends, who share the same values as me. It's tough being a recovering addict, starting all over again, trying to make new friends. All my friends from my past, were people I grew up with, partied with. I refuse to become a statistic, so I mainly keep to myself. My fiancee is the only person, outside my immediate family whom I hang with. Which is fine by me. She's a great woman, never used drugs and supports me every step of the way. I'm going on 6 years sober in July. I have the utmost respect for law enforcement and would love the opportunity to thank the officers who found a dying man in July of 2013. I just started this poll/ thread in hopes to enlighten some to a broken justice system, that seems to me, punishes its citizens, even after release. I'm the only member in my family to have ever done a prison sentence. Have I fully repaid my debt to society? Some would argue yes. Me? I still struggle with forgiving myself. So all that being said... Hello all!
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Please allow me to explain something that I think will help you out here on our great forum. I personally don't think you offended anyone in this thread. You certainly didn't offend me in any way.

What I'd like to explain is the fact that we (this forum) will sometimes get a new member that starts a thread with, shall I say, "less than stellar intentions". Sometimes it is obvious and sometimes not so obvious. On many occasions, it is an anti-2A playing games and attempting to trick a member(s) into tripping up on a subject related to the 2A. Once you relax and get settled in, I think you'll find this place to be a very cool place to hang out.

Welcome aboard and I, as I'm sure many others here, hope you make this your online home.

Dave
 
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Is this leagal? said:
That sounds like a boarderline threat. I'm done with this group.
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This is not a group for the thin skinned. We have good serious people. We have lunatics. We have self righteous prudes. We have bible bangers and alcoholics and atheists and all kinds.

You gotta be able to laugh. First at yourself, then at them. There are some tremendous people in here. Maybe some day I will meet one of them :) .
 
I truly wish you all the best in leading a successful life. We have all made mistakes that we all have had to pay for and sometimes think those consequences are too harsh. Lead you and your family forward and don’t look back even though demons may still follow you.
 
@Is this leagal? I suggest that you and your family are a thousand times more likely to be broken by things that don’t affect your ability to own a firearm than by your ability to obtain one legally. If you aren’t involved in criminal behavior and aren’t hanging with folks that are, then the odds of you or yours being a victim of violence requiring a gun are really small. Don’t focus on those things you can’t change! Stock up on pepper spray, maybe a machete or two for the house, and figure out how to apply your energy to something productive, railing against the bureaucracy is neither productive nor conducive to sobriety for anyone.

In the 80’s and 90’s I lived in Chicago with no firearm and would often walk home through the projects without any weapon. The world is far safer than most believe. Sure bad stuff happens, and it sucks when it hits close to home, but it rarely does and it’s super rare that you’d be able to do anything about it when it does. Your best weapon is between your ears, and if you teach your fiancée to be aware of her surroundings the family will be 99.9% as safe as if you were armed.
 
Is this leagal? said:
It's tough................., starting all over again, trying to make new friends!
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You may not realize it today but you joined the best damn community of the face of the Earth. I have been associated with this band of misfits for over 10 years. When you have a chance read the Old Forum thread for a bit of history.

We will argue and fight over banana pudding or Mayonnaise but all is in jest. Get to know the folks here. They are willing to help out with advice and lend a hand. Ask for prayers and they will send them up. We share the good times and the rough times. I've met a few of these folks and these are stand up people.

I know addictions are tough to beat but being upfront about them helps put them behind you. Me personally, I'll take a drink, but if my drinking in front of you is a temptation, then I won't drink. I have respect others and the trials that they deal with.

People here are stand up folks. The people make this place what it is. Join in and add yourself to the mix. You'll see.

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Mike Overlay said:
This is one mans process in another state. Might be a legit avenue to your plight here. Sounds like more time than money

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Thank you sir, but I believe the law in NC states a felons rights to own or possess are indefinitely taken. It used to be after 5 years upon release, with no prior convitions, drug use, parking tickets, you get the idea, a felons rights were restord, but a lot has changed. I went from no criminal record, to many convictions, upon my arrest, I don't even think an expunction is in the equation. Maybe a presidential pardon, but all else... Well we shall just see. I'm definitely gonna be looking into it. As far as those I hurt in all this. I wish there was something I could do... I definitely know that giving up, and having the defeated attitude will do no one any good. So I'll deal with my punishment, hold my head up, and strive to become a citizen.
 
"We will argue and fight over banana pudding or Mayonnaise but all is in jest."

Oh hale no, Chicken Lady's nanner puddin and Dukes mayonnaise are the bestest. Put that in yer pipe and smoke it.....................
 
Legal, political and religious opinions aside when I walked into the building in my new job last November I didn’t immediately get personal with the group or tell them how to do everything better and what to think. Maybe I did that wrong? :p

OP, best wishes. with your new family. Glad you are a better man and have a plan. Welcome aboard. We have a diverse group with lots of knowledge. Stick around and take advantage of that.
 
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I'll just give you one piece of advice. With Roxanne Vanakoven the elected DA in Cabarrus County you better be careful. They are hardcore.

As to the subject at hand I'm not against restoring rights for people. Go through your time and have them restored through the same system that put you behind bars and rightfully so it sounds. Just because you have served some time it doesn't stop your self admitted fight to stay sober. Why should anyone trust you one may ask? Only time is true judgement of that measure of your strength.
 
REELDOC said:
"We will argue and fight over banana pudding or Mayonnaise but all is in jest."

Oh hale no, Chicken Lady's nanner puddin and Dukes mayonnaise are the bestest. Put that in yer pipe and smoke it.....................
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Right after I married the misses she brought some blue top mayo into the house. I politely told her Dukes only in the house. She's been a keeper since. Only Dukes.

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CZfool68 said:
Legal, political and religious opinions aside when I walked into the building in my new job last November I didn’t immediately get personal with the group or tell them how to do everything better and what to think. Maybe I did that wrong? :p

OP, best wishes. with your new family. Glad you are a better man and have a plan. Welcome aboard. We ha e a diverse group with lots of knowledge. Stick around and take advantage of that.
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Yeah, I'm kinda feeling like a idiot. I'm digging this forum. Been reflecting a bit, I still feel real strongly for the Constitution though. I just want to do whats right, stand up for what's right. I've done a terrible disservice to my fellow man. I just want to right a wrong.
 
Is this leagal? said:
Yeah, I'm kinda feeling like a idiot. I'm digging this forum. Been reflecting a bit, I still feel real strongly for the Constitution though. I just want to do whats right, stand up for what's right. I've done a terrible disservice to my fellow man. I just want to right a wrong.
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Just go dip into some other sections and participate. Don’t worry about solving our Constitutional issues this week. Go spread whatever knowledge you have in rhe car, cooking or even the Chapel forums. Later on people will be more likely to ha e fair discussions with you. Maybe not agree, but they’ll be fair. Heck I’ve been shot down for my Yankee birth and careptbagger past. I’ll live!
 
CZfool68 said:
Just go dip into some other sections and participate. Don’t worry about solving our Constitutional issues this week. Go spread whatever knowledge you have in rhe car, cooking or even the Chapel forums. Later on people will be more likely to ha e fair discussions with you. Maybe not agree, but they’ll be fair. Heck I’ve been shot down for my Yankee birth and careptbagger past. I’ll live!
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OMG
 
Is this leagal? said:
A well regulated militia, being necessary to a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Yet our rights are being infringed upon. It's not about just the 2A. It's about one's pursuit of life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. Any attack on the Constitution is an attack on Freedom itself. You're questioning me like I've got some type of nefarious agenda. I live well within the Law, I don't have to like them, but I do respect them, but for you to question my moral character, and attack me on my beliefs is atrocious and an insult. I'll ask you this, why do you need a gun? Is it just for hunting, sport, or self defense? Just look back at history, and you'd understand, that Christians, of all people have been persecuted for thousands of years. It's hardly reported on, yet it happens. There's evil people in every aspect of human life, in some of the highest places of government, you know it, I know it, and more and more people are waking up to it's ugliness everyday. So yea, I feel very wronged by an unjust, unconstitutional law.
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Ok...go buy a gun then. It was only just bad luck on a bad day and you being in the wrong place at the wrong time.You're a great guy. Screw the law...go get a gun. All of your quote is wonderful...great... guns protect law abiding citizens from great guys who are having bad days. So, you're special...EVERYONE AGREE THAT HE IS SPECIAL. The law was there before the felony you committed happened. What about that don't you get? When it comes to protection of my family, felonious or not, I'd have a weapon to protect them. I wouldn't go to a gun forum for a diatribe about my abilities to do so. I'd just do it and lord have mercy, I wouldn't be squawking about how lawful it is. You have to be mindful that there are evil felons that serve time and get out too. You want to put guns in their hands? I don't think you do. God loves you man. I kinda love you myself. God given rights, and protection of those I love...or even love a little bit would take precedence over any man made law. Get my point now?
 
MuzzerFuzzer said:
Ok...go buy a gun then. It was only just bad luck on a bad day and you being in the wrong place at the wrong time.You're a great guy. Screw the law...go get a gun. All of your quote is wonderful...great... guns protect law abiding citizens from great guys who are having bad days. So, you're special...EVERYONE AGREE THAT HE IS SPECIAL. The law was there before the felony you committed happened. What about that don't you get? When it comes to protection of my family, felonious or not, I'd have a weapon to protect them. I wouldn't go to a gun forum for a diatribe about my abilities to do so. I'd just do it and lord have mercy, I wouldn't be squawking about how lawful it is. You have to be mindful that there are evil felons that serve time and get out too. You want to put guns in their hands? I don't think you do. God loves you man. I kinda love you myself. God given rights, and protection of those I love...or even love a little bit would take precedence over any man made law. Get my point now?
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You, sir are being an *******

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