Uvalde, Texas elementary school reports 'active shooter'

Bigdave0924 said:
The police know not to talk to police. That’s a sign for all of us in case you missed it.

I’m all for hardening the schools but what good is BR glass if anyone can just walk in through an unlocked or otherwise unsecured door? There’s no easy answer to how to stop this but I truly believe the politicians don’t want it to stop. They want people to give up their guns and they’re willing to do just about anything besides come and take them.
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The politicians know that they can not take 400 million guns away. The thing that the politicians do not understand or refuse to understand is the 2A was put there to stop the politicians from taking the citizens guns, the 2A has nothing to do with hunting.

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papa_smurf said:
This right here. After that many shots have been fired you don't have a hostage situation anymore, you have a massacre. no negotiation at that point, you go in and put an end to it.
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Only if your goal is to protect the children. As we've seen before the goal of these "officers" was to "go home at the end of their shift".

They aren't protectors. They aren't friends. They aren't allies. They aren't someone you should trust.

They are purely the policy enforcement and revenue generation arm of whatever political unit they answer to.

That's it.
 
Father of shooting victim hires law firm, seeks marketing data from manufacturer.
Without merit. Shooter ignored the safety instructions include with the rifle and also available online.

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Uvalde Victim's Father Hires Legal Team, Wants Marketing Info From Gun Maker

The parent of one of the children slain in last month’s mass shooting massacre in Uvalde, Texas, is targeting the gunmaker who manufactured the assault rifle used in the shooting. Alfred Garza III, the father of 10-year-old Amerie Jo Garza, has hired a team of attorneys, including Josh Koskoff...
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Saw this posted on FB...no idea if any of it is fact.

TX School Shooter, for your pondering a 18 year old transvestite ILLEGAL who lived with his grandma. Part time job at McDonald's (8 hours a week), minimum wage. He dressed up in girl's clothes — and had a very expensive female wardrobe. Dropped out of school because he was obsessed with video games.
Had a Brand new $expensive game console. A $brand new F250 pickup “fully loaded.” $Weapons: 2 Brand new Daniel Defense (brand) AR15/M4 rifles, with Military grade Optics. Each rifle is between 3,000 and 4,000 dollars. $Thousands of rounds of Military grade ammunition. A $thousand dollar bullet proof vest. All from a part time job at McDonald's...?!
Ford F250 Platinum $71,000.00
Clothes $3000,00
Game Console $500.00
Rifles $6000.00/$8,000.00
Optics $1000.00
Ammo $900.00
Body Armor $1000.00
TOTAL - $83,400.00
On Minimum Wage ??!!
Seems to me SOMEONE WAS FUNDING HIM and training him as well...
And oh - he just happens to have known the Buffalo shooter? Seriously?!
And add to the fact that those rifles were EXACTLY like one of the rifles from the Las Vegas "shooter". EXACTLY, down to the optics, AND the vertical fore-grip. And that particular configuration is (legally) only available to "Military and Law Enforcement" ...
And just before the NRA Convention, how timely...
Copied and pasted. There has to be more to this story and who is responsible for buying all the stuff for this crazy person!
 
I’ve got a feeling granny was buying the toys. But that’s doesn’t mean something is not off about all this.
 
Snal~ said:
Saw this posted on FB...no idea if any of it is fact.

TX School Shooter, for your pondering a 18 year old transvestite ILLEGAL who lived with his grandma. Part time job at McDonald's (8 hours a week), minimum wage. He dressed up in girl's clothes — and had a very expensive female wardrobe. Dropped out of school because he was obsessed with video games.
Had a Brand new $expensive game console. A $brand new F250 pickup “fully loaded.” $Weapons: 2 Brand new Daniel Defense (brand) AR15/M4 rifles, with Military grade Optics. Each rifle is between 3,000 and 4,000 dollars. $Thousands of rounds of Military grade ammunition. A $thousand dollar bullet proof vest. All from a part time job at McDonald's...?!
Ford F250 Platinum $71,000.00
Clothes $3000,00
Game Console $500.00
Rifles $6000.00/$8,000.00
Optics $1000.00
Ammo $900.00
Body Armor $1000.00
TOTAL - $83,400.00
On Minimum Wage ??!!
Seems to me SOMEONE WAS FUNDING HIM and training him as well...
And oh - he just happens to have known the Buffalo shooter? Seriously?!
And add to the fact that those rifles were EXACTLY like one of the rifles from the Las Vegas "shooter". EXACTLY, down to the optics, AND the vertical fore-grip. And that particular configuration is (legally) only available to "Military and Law Enforcement" ...
And just before the NRA Convention, how timely...
Copied and pasted. There has to be more to this story and who is responsible for buying all the stuff for this crazy person!
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Needs fact checking for sure.
Right off the top I see the thing states two Daniel Defense rifles. Pretty sure that he had just one DD and a S&W. That makes me doubt some of the rest of it.

Also pretty sure he was a citizen.
And I heard that the photos of cross dress were someone else. So this thing above appears to be a bunch of people trying to be "First" or otherwise relevant who create hysteria trying to get people agitated (and generate clicks)

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Timfoilhat said:
Needs fact checking for sure.
Right off the top I see the thing states two Daniel Defense rifles. Pretty sure that he had just one DD and a S&W. That makes me doubt some of the rest of it.

Also pretty sure he was a citizen.
And I heard that the photos of cross dress were someone else. So this thing above appears to be a bunch of hysteria trying to get people agitated.
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Initial reports had him buying two Daniel Defense. Not sure if that was accurate, but it was reported early on.
 
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cubrock said:
Initial reports had him buying two Daniel Defense. Not sure if that was accurate, but it was reported early o .
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That's fair. I'll edit my post.
 
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( later, he bought his first gun, a Smith & Wesson assault-style rifle, from a store in Uvalde, according to State Senator Roland Gutierrez of Texas who cited law enforcement officials. The store has been identified as Oasis Outback. Three days later, he bought the Daniel Defense rifle for $1,870 plus tax, according to a photo of the receipt that Mr. Ramos reportedly posted on the social media )

There's a lot of misinformation out there but if you look you can find that the shooter wasn't an illegal alien, didn't have body armor,(plate carrier no plates)
And so far no evidence that he was transgender.
But I think we can all agree he was BSC.
 
@S4f remind me what a BSC is again?
 
You can hear about anything now. Heard today that the push on firearms was that aliens will not return as long as Americans are armed.
 
COTTON said:
You can hear about anything now. Heard today that the push on firearms was that aliens will not return as long as Americans are armed.
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Oh yeah, what kind of aliens are we talking about? There's a type I know of that been undeterred to this point.
 
Snal~ said:
Saw this posted on FB...no idea if any of it is fact.

TX School Shooter, for your pondering a 18 year old transvestite ILLEGAL who lived with his grandma. Part time job at McDonald's (8 hours a week), minimum wage. He dressed up in girl's clothes — and had a very expensive female wardrobe. Dropped out of school because he was obsessed with video games.
Had a Brand new $expensive game console. A $brand new F250 pickup “fully loaded.” $Weapons: 2 Brand new Daniel Defense (brand) AR15/M4 rifles, with Military grade Optics. Each rifle is between 3,000 and 4,000 dollars. $Thousands of rounds of Military grade ammunition. A $thousand dollar bullet proof vest. All from a part time job at McDonald's...?!
Ford F250 Platinum $71,000.00
Clothes $3000,00
Game Console $500.00
Rifles $6000.00/$8,000.00
Optics $1000.00
Ammo $900.00
Body Armor $1000.00
TOTAL - $83,400.00
On Minimum Wage ??!!
Seems to me SOMEONE WAS FUNDING HIM and training him as well...
And oh - he just happens to have known the Buffalo shooter? Seriously?!
And add to the fact that those rifles were EXACTLY like one of the rifles from the Las Vegas "shooter". EXACTLY, down to the optics, AND the vertical fore-grip. And that particular configuration is (legally) only available to "Military and Law Enforcement" ...
And just before the NRA Convention, how timely...
Copied and pasted. There has to be more to this story and who is responsible for buying all the stuff for this crazy person!
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Not directed at you because I know you just copied and pasted that….

But that is the most absurd nonsense I have read. It just gets more ridiculous the more you read it. Aside from having a DD rifle, which we’ve seen from the photos, I don’t know that any of that is true.

Not going through all of it because it’s just too ridiculous, but a couple random thoughts:

WITAF are “military grade ammo” and “military grade optics”????

Where is this Platinum F250?????? there are plenty pics of his wrecked vehicle and it’s very clearly and f150.

A vertical foregrip on a rifle is a “particular configuration” only allowed for Mil/LE??????

That dollar amount for his stuff is just wildly made up and nowhere even near accurate. But I don’t understand why people can’t fathom how he purchased an expensive rifle…. Several very likely possibilities. Maybe he had a bunch of money saved from odd jobs; perhaps he applied for and got his own credit card and obviously didn’t care about maxing it our or ever even paying it; maybe grandma bought it for him…..Or, he just stole grandmas card and bought it. I mean, he shot her on the face and then went on to massacre 21 other people so I don’t think stealing granny’s card is out of the realm of possibles here…
 
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Derek8404 said:
Not directed at you because I know you just copied and pasted that….

But that is the most absurd nonsense I have read. It just gets more ridiculous the more you read it. Aside from having a DD rifle, which we’ve seen from the photos, I don’t know that any of that is true.

Not going through all of it because it’s just too ridiculous, but a couple random thoughts:

WITAF are “military grade ammo” and “military grade optics”????

Where is this Platinum F250?????? there are plenty pics of his wrecked vehicle and it’s very clearly and f150.

A vertical foregrip on a rifle is a “particular configuration” only allowed for Mil/LE??????

That dollar amount for his stuff is just wildly made up and nowhere even near accurate. But I don’t understand why people can’t fathom how he purchased an expensive rifle…. Several very likely possibilities. Maybe he had a bunch of money saved from odd jobs; perhaps he applied for and got his own credit card and obviously didn’t care about maxing it our or ever even paying it; maybe grandma bought it for him…..Or, he just stole grandmas card and bought it. I mean, he shot her on the face and then went on to massacre 21 other people so I don’t think stealing granny’s card is out of the realm of possibles here…
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Supposedly shot her in the face over a phone bill from the "news" I've seen, and the F250 is completely made up. Official reports state he had no car of his own and stole his grandma's truck after shooting her.
 
ChickenHawk said:
Supposedly shot her in the face over a phone bill from the "news" I've seen, and the F250 is completely made up. Official reports state he had no car of his own and stole his grandma's truck after shooting her.
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I really don’t know which is more concerning to me, the fact that someone wrote that crock of nonsense and is trying to portray it as factual, or that someone could read that and actually think that there’s even a shred of credibility to it. And trust me, there’s people out there (on this forum included) who read that and took it as the Gospel.
 
Derek8404 said:
I really don’t know which is more concerning to me, the fact that someone wrote that crock of nonsense and is trying to portray it as factual, or that someone could read that and actually think that there’s even a shred of credibility to it. And trust me, there’s people out there (on this forum included) who read that and took it as the Gospel.
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I stopped reading after "facebook". If everyone did that, the world would be a better place.
 
Worked at Wendy's, coworkers said nothing about his behavior.
 
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Now the school dist. police chief is making excuses for not carrying radios and says he was not the incident commander, but he was telling other responders to wait for SWAT.

Arredondo has received the bulk of national criticism for how long it took officers to deal with the gunman and has recently avoided the public eye. He's been accused of wasting time, failing to coordinate the responses of the dozens of on-scene officers from at least five agencies, and deciding to wait out a situation with an active shooter.

But he defended the police response as he spoke to the Tribune, saying that "not a single responding officer ever hesitated, even for a moment, to put themselves at risk to save the children," Except for himself.

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Uvalde's school district police chief said he intentionally left his radios behind when responding to the mass shooting because he thought they would slow him down

The police chief said he wasn't aware that children and teachers were desperately calling 911 for help because he didn't have his radio with him.
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What I don't get is they still had calls coming in and presumably could still hear shots being fired. How do you conclude then that it's just somebody barricaded with nobody being in active danger?
 
Button Pusher said:
Now the school dist. police chief is making excuses for not carrying radios and says he was not the incident commander, but he was telling other responders to wait for SWAT.

Arredondo has received the bulk of national criticism for how long it took officers to deal with the gunman and has recently avoided the public eye. He's been accused of wasting time, failing to coordinate the responses of the dozens of on-scene officers from at least five agencies, and deciding to wait out a situation with an active shooter.

But he defended the police response as he spoke to the Tribune, saying that "not a single responding officer ever hesitated, even for a moment, to put themselves at risk to save the children," Except for himself.

www.yahoo.com

Uvalde's school district police chief said he intentionally left his radios behind when responding to the mass shooting because he thought they would slow him down

The police chief said he wasn't aware that children and teachers were desperately calling 911 for help because he didn't have his radio with him.
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He was quoted as saying he left his radio so he could have both hands free to use his gun
Pure B's I'm guessing
 
S4f said:
He was quoted as saying he left his radio so he could have both hands free to use his gun
Pure B's I'm guessing
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And they reported that others could here dispatch. He's a POS that parents should be holding accountable however they see fit.
 
Derek8404 said:
Not directed at you because I know you just copied and pasted that….

But that is the most absurd nonsense I have read. It just gets more ridiculous the more you read it. Aside from having a DD rifle, which we’ve seen from the photos, I don’t know that any of that is true.

Not going through all of it because it’s just too ridiculous, but a couple random thoughts:

WITAF are “military grade ammo” and “military grade optics”????

Where is this Platinum F250?????? there are plenty pics of his wrecked vehicle and it’s very clearly and f150.

A vertical foregrip on a rifle is a “particular configuration” only allowed for Mil/LE??????

That dollar amount for his stuff is just wildly made up and nowhere even near accurate. But I don’t understand why people can’t fathom how he purchased an expensive rifle…. Several very likely possibilities. Maybe he had a bunch of money saved from odd jobs; perhaps he applied for and got his own credit card and obviously didn’t care about maxing it our or ever even paying it; maybe grandma bought it for him…..Or, he just stole grandmas card and bought it. I mean, he shot her on the face and then went on to massacre 21 other people so I don’t think stealing granny’s card is out of the realm of possibles here…
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He was wearing Crye, which by itself made him richer than me....
 
Cowards are all around. Many don’t know till exposed to gunfire how they will react.
But.
For a whole police force to stand around sucking their lollipops waiting for the idiot to kill every kid and teacher in that school? NO Excuse for total failure to try, and keep trying.
If I was them, I think I’d be making fast tracks outa there, relocation package or no.
Based on their performance, a 70 year old granny could walk up and dispose of them without fear of retaliation. In daylight. Imagine what a dead kid would do to a parent’s desire to make someone pay the price. The “cops” are highly visible targets for understandable rage.
 
Bigdave0924 said:
Looking worse and worse for the police there. Local news is reporting they never even attempted to open the door and it was not possible for the door to be locked from the inside
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I was laughing at something on TV when I read this.
The smile on my face pulled the iceberg maneuver
Ice calving - Wikipedia

And then i was smiling no more.
 
Now they are saying that the police had rifles and a ballistic shield 58 minutes before they went into the room. Apparently they can be heard asking each other why they aren't going in if there are kids in there. No one took the initiative, and 30 minutes before the border patrol team went in the police chief was heard on bodycam footage asking if they could take him out through a window. Screenshot with time stamp from the video they are going off of.

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Footage of what cops did inside Uvalde school sheds extremely damning new light on police response

A report indicates that Uvalde police had enough firepower and protection to breach the classroom where Ramos was hiding and take him out.
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