Uvalde, Texas elementary school reports 'active shooter'

PisgahPlinker said:
oof. full loadout tac gear, helmets, shields, and ARs in the hallway with shots ringing out from the classroom and yet they continue to wait :mad:
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No duty to protect.

And I say that with a heavy heart.

Edit: I see I have an angry face on this post. To clarify, I'm appalled, disgusted, and sickened at what I'm seeing and reading about the response, and have been. But I feel like this "no duty to protect" crap will wipe the legal slate clean. I feel like the best I can hope for, is that these guys suffer in the court of public opinion.
 
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PisgahPlinker said:
oof. full loadout tac gear, helmets, shields, and ARs in the hallway with shots ringing out from the classroom and yet they continue to wait :mad:
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And kids in the rooms calling to the outside asking for help.
Bunch of P*#@^)(%$
 
JimB said:
I think we have new video
www.statesman.com

Exclusive: Watch Uvalde school shooting video obtained by Statesman showing police response

The delayed law enforcement response to the Uvalde school shooting at Robb Elementary plays out in the video as 77 minutes tick by.
www.statesman.com

have not yet watched.

edit: watched it, setting emotion aside, I don’t believe that the officers did their jobs. Oddly I was extremely offended by the one officer being so comfortable in the situation that he got himself some hand sanitizer from the wall. In my opinion they showed no interest in protecting those children.
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That video really pisses me off. Alot

I struggle with the next step in the process. The fork in the road is a damn big one.
 
PisgahPlinker said:
oof. full loadout tac gear, helmets, shields, and ARs in the hallway with shots ringing out from the classroom and yet they continue to wait :mad:
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Dead kids provide their owners with the leverage they need to make us into slaves, with their bluebellied thugs as our overseers.
 
kcult said:
No duty to protect.

And I say that with a heavy heart.

Edit: I see I have an angry face on this post. To clarify, I'm appalled, disgusted, and sickened at what I'm seeing and reading about the response, and have been. But I feel like this "no duty to protect" crap will wipe the legal slate clean. I feel like the best I can hope for, is that these guys suffer in the court of public opinion.
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The anger is at them and the situation, not your post I suspect.
 
kcult said:
I feel similar, but it didn't seem like my initial post conveyed my actual thoughts.

The situation seems to be an extreme case of "not my job."
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They did their job, they let kids die for the sake of advancing their masters plans.

Their job isn't to protect us, or save us from crime. Their job is to ensure the process of top down control and tax farming isn't disrupted by enough unscripted negative events to make the cattle too nervous.

They want us just scared enough to accept their totalitarian solutions to problems they formented and fear their enforcers, but not so scared that we start acting up and reason that we have so little safety the solution is as bad as the problem.

We're a crop our "betters" harvest for fun and profit and they don't care if the edges of the field die.
 
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JimB said:
I think we have new video
www.statesman.com

Exclusive: Watch Uvalde school shooting video obtained by Statesman showing police response

The delayed law enforcement response to the Uvalde school shooting at Robb Elementary plays out in the video as 77 minutes tick by.
www.statesman.com

have not yet watched.

edit: watched it, setting emotion aside, I don’t believe that the officers did their jobs. Oddly I was extremely offended by the one officer being so comfortable in the situation that he got himself some hand sanitizer from the wall. In my opinion they showed no interest in protecting those children.
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Makes you sick just to watch the cowards.
 
NCLivingBrit said:
They did their job, they let kids die for the sake of advancing their masters plans.

Their job isn't to protect us, or save us from crime. Their job is to ensure the process of top down control and tax farming isn't disrupted by enough unscripted negative events to make the cattle too nervous.

They want us just scared enough to accept their totalitarian solutions to problems they formented and fear their enforcers, but not so scared that we start acting up and reason that we have so little safety the solution is as bad as the problem.

We're a crop our "betters" harvest for fun and profit and they don't care if the edges of the field die.
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I don't like this post at all. It's way too close to the truth.
 
Amp Mangum said:
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I think many people who carry don’t understand the mindset he is explaining. His version is to the max and his sense of duty expands well beyond what most people feel when it comes to public situations but I fully understand his way of thinking.

I cannot imagine being one of these cops who did nothing. I agree with the idea that those who did nothing cannot “die well”. They did not answer the call they signed up for and children died because it.
 
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NCLivingBrit said:
They did their job, they let kids die for the sake of advancing their masters plans.

Their job isn't to protect us, or save us from crime. Their job is to ensure the process of top down control and tax farming isn't disrupted by enough unscripted negative events to make the cattle too nervous.

They want us just scared enough to accept their totalitarian solutions to problems they formented and fear their enforcers, but not so scared that we start acting up and reason that we have so little safety the solution is as bad as the problem.

We're a crop our "betters" harvest for fun and profit and they don't care if the edges of the field die.
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I don’t think this is true for the avg officer on scene in this event. A poor command decision was made and fear ruled the day. Too many current LEO do not understand or fully adopt the mindset in the video above. That is the real issue.

It is not some grand master plan that caused them to be cowards that day.
 
wvsig said:
I don’t think this is true for the avg officer on scene in this event. A poor command decision was made and fear ruled the day. Too many current LEO do not understand or fully adopt the mindset in the video above. That is the real issue.

It is not some grand master plan that caused them to be cowards that day.
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Every single one of them should be tried as accessories to murder. Not only can they not die well, they shouldn't call themselves men anymore. The only thing the thin blue line did that day was keep parents out of the school that were willing to do something.
 
I’ll repeat this again. Officers are not hired like the days when it was a profession and well respected. The pay never kept up with the risk. Sheriffs make deputies from friends and friends kids. There are too many meter maid types, both men and women. Too many officers do not have the mindset to be law enforcement. You cannot live in fear for this job.

We have seen too many times the trigger happy responses, lack of engagement, and inability to assess situations. I think pay has kept the appropriate candidates from applying. Half the officers I know fit the bill while the other half are the bottom of the barrel. It’s at an all time low with the number of unfilled positions. We are seeing the same hiring as in all jobs, warm bodies to fill the needs.
 
BlackGun said:
I’ll repeat this again. Officers are not hired like the days when it was a profession and well respected. The pay never kept up with the risk. Sheriffs make deputies from friends and friends kids. There are too many meter maid types, both men and women. Too many officers do not have the mindset to be law enforcement. You cannot live in fear for this job.

We have seen too many times the trigger happy responses, lack of engagement, and inability to assess situations. I think pay has kept the appropriate candidates from applying. Half the officers I know fit the bill while the other half are the bottom of the barrel. It’s at an all time low with the number of unfilled positions. We are seeing the same hiring as in all jobs, warm bodies to fill the needs.
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Yeah. You either gotta really really want to be a cop these days or be a complete idiot.
 
BlackGun said:
There are too many meter maid types, both men and women.
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In reality though, how much of the job is that? If for the average cop 50% of the time they're playing road pirate, 49% dealing with the morons of walmart/going to domestics dealing with the morons of walmart at home/hauling off the dregs of society, 1% actually dealing with 'exceptional issues' then odds are whatever hires you get are going to be able to do almost the entire job and only the outlying events show the weaknesses in the system. What bureaucrat wouldn't take those odds? Would doubling the pay suddenly get you enough people who could deal with that last 1%? Tripling? Or would you just get really well paid meter maids?

Of the dozens of cops in that video, how many were really needed to solve the problem? How many were simply there adding to the confusion and management requirements of 'keeping them from acting'? Would less but better cops make us 'safer' or would more lame cops (in the hopes we get a few good ones) be the best choice? Seems like we're going with the second option, and 'more funding' would likely get us more of the same, not more of the first. The .gov can't spend the money they take from us now very well, can't imagine giving them more solves it.
 
I have avoided watching that video until now. All I can say is, someone should get all those punk ass cops, put them in a building unarmed and let a crazy with a rifle loose inside with them. This is absolutely sickening, and is one of the reasons I carry every day and encourage everyone who is legally able to do so. If they aren’t going to protect, we have to be able to protect ourselves.
 
Im disgusted, forget what ever about duty, mindset. What kind of person can sit back and listen to kids die? How can you not want to do something? In my humble and often wrong opinion they are worthless excuses for human beings. I hope they all local, state and federal get sued, excoriated and live the rest of their lives in utter shame!!
 
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smm72 said:
Everyone wants to be a “cool” guy until you have to put up or shut up. This guy is worthless
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Turns out that's Officer Ruiz...

● The cop seen checking his phone in leaked footage from the Uvalde massacre has been identified as Officer Ruben Ruiz

● Ruiz is the husband of Eva Mireles, a teacher at Robb Elementary School, who was gunned down that day

● TPS Director Col. Steven McCraw said in June that Mireles called her husband on the morning of the shooting to say she had been 'shot and was dying'

● According to reports, Ruiz attempted to get into the classroom in an attempt to save his wife from crazed gunman Salvador Ramos but was prevented


They disarmed him and removed him from the building.
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georgel said:
Turns out that's Officer Ruiz...


● According to reports, Ruiz attempted to get into the classroom in an attempt to save his wife from crazed gunman Salvador Ramos but was prevented


They disarmed him and removed him from the building.
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So if he was disarmed and removed, how is he both there and holding a gun?
 
georgel said:
Turns out that's Officer Ruiz...

● The cop seen checking his phone in leaked footage from the Uvalde massacre has been identified as Officer Ruben Ruiz

● Ruiz is the husband of Eva Mireles, a teacher at Robb Elementary School, who was gunned down that day

● TPS Director Col. Steven McCraw said in June that Mireles called her husband on the morning of the shooting to say she had been 'shot and was dying'

● According to reports, Ruiz attempted to get into the classroom in an attempt to save his wife from crazed gunman Salvador Ramos but was prevented


They disarmed him and removed him from the building.
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I didn’t see anyone preventing him from doing anything in the videos I watched
 
Jayne said:
So if he was disarmed and removed, how is he both there and holding a gun?
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Don't know the timeline. Just repeating what I've read.
 
georgel said:
Don't know the timeline. Just repeating what I've read.
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So much of what's been reported on this whole situation has been totally false... it's just hard to believe anything at this point. Maybe that's the goal, make all info seem invalid.
 
Jayne said:
So much of what's been reported on this whole situation has been totally false... it's just hard to believe anything at this point. Maybe that's the goal, make all info seem invalid.
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i would believe that.
they have lied so much about it already. in for a penny...
 
Jayne said:
So much of what's been reported on this whole situation has been totally false... it's just hard to believe anything at this point. Maybe that's the goal, make all info seem invalid.
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That's actually a technique, although I don't know the formal name.
 
Prediction. Having seen the video I now predict they will use it for emotional blackmail to advance gun control.
 
Stopped following this a couple of weeks ago. Just catching up.

It reaffirms something I’ve come to believe. People like the idea of police, but the reality of having police is vastly different.
 
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