Uvalde, Texas elementary school reports 'active shooter'

NKD said:
Not a good look!

They also had breaching tool or tools. But I guess they never checked door and apparently it was unlocked?
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Yup. Never even checked the door. The police response keeps getting worse everytime new information comes out.
 
ChickenHawk said:
Yup. Never even checked the door. The police response keeps getting worse everytime new information comes out.
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I feel bad for the guys stuck there wanting to do something.

Hopefully this will at least inform future scenarios like this and the cops on the ground will ignore some dish!t telling them to hold up.
 
No attempt to contact the shooter using school pa system? They will say they were waiting for social workers or negotiation team.
 
The head of the Texas State Police Steven C. McCraw spoke to the state's Senate committee on Tuesday, where he heavily condemned the response by police during the Robb Elementary massacre that saw 19 children and two teachers killed. He also said that officers on-scene could have stopped gunman Salvador Ramos's rampage within "three minutes," reports the Associated Press.

thepostmillennial.com

BREAKING: Uvalde shooting could have been stopped in ‘three minutes’: Texas police

Head of the Texas State Police Steven C. McCraw said that police could have acted faster than they did, having enough firepower and protection to do so.
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ronn47 said:
The head of the Texas State Police Steven C. McCraw spoke to the state's Senate committee on Tuesday, where he heavily condemned the response by police during the Robb Elementary massacre that saw 19 children and two teachers killed. He also said that officers on-scene could have stopped gunman Salvador Ramos's rampage within "three minutes," reports the Associated Press.

thepostmillennial.com

BREAKING: Uvalde shooting could have been stopped in ‘three minutes’: Texas police

Head of the Texas State Police Steven C. McCraw said that police could have acted faster than they did, having enough firepower and protection to do so.
thepostmillennial.com thepostmillennial.com
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Good for him.
 
NKD said:
I feel bad for the guys stuck there wanting to do something.

Hopefully this will at least inform future scenarios like this and the cops on the ground will ignore some dish!t telling them to hold up.
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I don’t feel bad for them, because they didn’t do anything. They could and should have. If they got fired for disobeying orders from an incompetent supervisor, I’m sure any other department would happily take them for doing the right thing and saving kids.
 
I could understand an officer or 2 freezing up and not performing in the heat of the moment. But all of them. Not one guy said let’s roll? Is there anyway that this was not intentionally letting those kids get massacred? Is that much incompetence and cowardice possible? This entire story really stinks.
 
barf said:
I don’t feel bad for them, because they didn’t do anything. They could and should have. If they got fired for disobeying orders from an incompetent supervisor, I’m sure any other department would happily take them for doing the right thing and saving kids.
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As I understand it, the protocol/ standard training for school attacks Columbine has been to go in as fast as possible, even without backup. I have been stunned by the Parkland and Uvalde wait-outside response.

I hope at some point we find out how these officers were trained such that they even thought they needed an outside approval to enter.
 
Starkherz199 said:
They had this equipment and waited?
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I haven't seen that one. That could be when BorTac showed up and rolled in after getting tired of waiting. They still had rifle and at least one ballistic shield within 10 minutes of calling for backup and still didn't go in. Inexcusable in my opinion.
 
Starkherz199 said:
They had this equipment and waited?
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I think that’s the first LEO’s on scene 7-8 minutes after the whole thing started. If it is that’s a mixture of 3 Uvalde LEO’s and a sheriff’s deputy who actually did go to the door but 2 were struck with minor wounds this they pulled back. Working a stack is not something you just pickup especially with non-team members so these guys at least did give it some effort. About this time Chief Arredondo arrives and assumes the incident commander role … stands them down to await further backup and equipment. The LEO’s on scene did continue to evacuate the rest of the 600 or so students, teachers and staff so they at least were not standing around with their thumbs up their butts. BUT something or someone was keeping them from breaching … Arredondo is that reason … I am not sure how he sat on that many different LEO’s from several agencies but it seems he did.

Now on the BorTac part of the timeline … how long did it take from the time BorTac to breach … a 12:15pm arrival and a breached at 12:50pm … 35 minutes … why? I am not operator or such and not privy to their SOP’s but 35 minutes for gearing up and briefing for a tactical unit? These guys were likely ready and chomping at a couple minutes and briefing another couple minutes … why 35 minutes? Who kept/held/delayed them that extra maybe 25-30 minutes? Arredondo again? Did he want to “supervise” their operation or something?

Yes, I agree the first on scene or some of the “screw this waiting” LEO’s should have broke ranks just acted but I’m gonna point a finger at Arredondo for the bulk of the fuster cluck. I swear that they had toooo many people there … local PD, sheriff deputies, local constables, state Department of Public Safety, Border Patrol not to mention the US Marshall service rolled in also … toooo many channels and I believe a pissing match caused the delay and resulted in the loses of more children than if some LEO’s had gone Dirty Harry or such … thanks to Arredondo.
 
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DurhamDad said:
As I understand it, the protocol/ standard training for school attacks Columbine has been to go in as fast as possible, even without backup. I have been stunned by the Parkland and Uvalde wait-outside response.

I hope at some point we find out how these officers were trained such that they even thought they needed an outside approval to enter.
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My take exactly. After Columbine going in was supposed to be SOP. You are not fighting a battalion of Vietcong, you are typically against up 1-2 guys at the most.
 
I didn't know if it was the chief or some lesser lieutenant etc whose name I hadn't heard yet.
 
If the cops intervene, their handlers and owners wouldn't have another item of propaganda to try and disarm people for the final push towards absolute global dominion for the people who actually elect our leaders.
 
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These stupid !@#$ers. What the hell does this cowardice, not locking doors, or ignoring the shooter's behavior leading up to the shooting have to do with me and you?

He was dressing like a school shooter, talking about school shootings, abusing animals, and now that they've interviewed hundreds of people... surprise... they all say they were scared of him and suspected he could do this.
 
As I said before, if you want a war on cops from those who have backed you in the past this is how you get it. Someone is going to have a loved one die due to their cowardice eventually and they will push back hard one the agency that failed them.
 
barf said:
I don’t feel bad for them, because they didn’t do anything. They could and should have. If they got fired for disobeying orders from an incompetent supervisor, I’m sure any other department would happily take them for doing the right thing and saving kids.
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Actually…you are totally right!

Thinking about it, I don’t feel sorry for them at all!
 
Frack N Cylons said:
Everybody wants to be a gangsta until it’s time to do some gangsta shit
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I kinda also look at it as a society thing where many LEO’s like citizens have become “less assertive”. An early and major mass shooting took place in Texas in 1966 when Charles Whitman took to the U of T at Austin’s bell tower and sniped for over an hour killing 19 and injuring a bunch. Within minutes not just LEO’s but good citizens started the process to take on Whitman. Numbers are not set in stone but it pretty much is believed a dozen LEO’s and three citizens with them went up the tower to stop Whitman while who ever be it LEO or Texan who had hunting rifle or such on the ground returned fire keeping Whitman from really getting more rounds off. Today … that would probably never happen … LEO’s and Joe Citizen going in together … we do not trust each other and unless they really know each other pretty damn well it’s a lost resource. We as a society have kinda gone this way and it is sad … cause if it was 1966 in Uvalde the whole thing would have been a different scenario completely and likely a different outcome. The division between the general public and law enforcement is something that probably hurts more than we ever will know.
 
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how could you sit back and listen to radio chatter ref kids in harms way. i truly do not understand. i have been in harms way and understand that it is a hazard of the job, that is part of it, if your not willing to do that, don't apply, no harm no foul. those kids and teachers deserved better.
Time=death. Could have been alot less.
I truly do not understand how they can live with themselves.
I am sad for how far we have allowed our country to slip when we have sheep trying to stop wolves!
 
I was talking to my oldest daughter while getting a haircut a couple of weeks ago.

She straight out told me the shooter, cops, or she would be dead if she was ever in that situation. I raised her and I totally believe her.
The husband would be covering from the flank. He's a wildcard you can't ignore.
 
rdinatal said:
I was talking to my oldest daughter while getting a haircut a couple of weeks ago.

She straight out told me the shooter, cops, or she would be dead if she was ever in that situation. I raised her and I totally believe her.
The husband would be covering from the flank. He's a wildcard you can't ignore.
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I agree. I don’t even have kids but if I did, or my niece or nephew was in the building there would be no one stopping me from entering.
 
Amp Mangum said:
No matter what they do the rest of their lives, whether it's curing cancer, solving world hunger, etc, they are going to die cowards.
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100%. But there are still even conservatives trying to defend these coward ass pieces of slime. It’s unjustifiable.
 
I think we have new video
www.statesman.com

Exclusive: Watch Uvalde school shooting video obtained by Statesman showing police response

The delayed law enforcement response to the Uvalde school shooting at Robb Elementary plays out in the video as 77 minutes tick by.
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have not yet watched.

edit: watched it, setting emotion aside, I don’t believe that the officers did their jobs. Oddly I was extremely offended by the one officer being so comfortable in the situation that he got himself some hand sanitizer from the wall. In my opinion they showed no interest in protecting those children.
 
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